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The issue is the border of Gaza and Egypt, the philadelphi corridor. Israel wants to control it or at least have some presence there.

Thats because a lot of Hamas(and non Hamas palestianians) fled to Egypt. And once Israel pulls out, Israel doesnt want Hamas or military supplies to flow back into Gaza.

The american proposal offered reduced israeli presence in the area, with the Palestinian Authority managing it and Israel “supervising”.

Hamas rejected the proposal because they dont think Israel should be in Gaza in any capacity.

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Some extra info: israel is already forbidden from having troops at the Rafah Crossing under the 1979 Egypt-israel peace treaty

Israel wanted to pretend to blame the Gaza concentration camp on Egypt. By taking the crossing they went mask off. They are blockading everything and cannot blame any other party. Every starving person in Gaza is now 100% the fault of israel.

But they don’t care because both the Democrats and Republicans fully back their Genocide.

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Arrest little hitler.

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As long as the Hamas exists there will be no end to this war. Hamas is not going to compromise on any of their goals. One of those goals is to kill each jew.

So this war will end with the death of Hamas and their followers or once every jew is dead.

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As long as the Hamas exists Netanyahu is in power there will be no end to this war. Hamas Netanyahu’s fascist apartheid regime is not going to compromise on any of their goals. One of those goals is to kill [or drive out of Palestine] each jew every Palestinian.

So this war will end with the death defeat and arrest of Hamas and their followers Netanyahu, Smotrich, Ben–Gvir, and the rest of the regime or once every jew Palestinian is dead [or driven out of Palestine]

Fixed it for you, genocide apologist.

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I didn’t excuse any of the actions by any of war participants. I am just saying that the war probably won’t end until one is successful with their genocide. I don’t like how Israel is killing mostly innocent people and I don’t support the actions of Hamas either.

Edit: As many misunderstood this I want to clarify, that I wanted to stay as objective as possible with that answer. Obviously the Palestinians are not committing genocide, they are being killed by thousands. However I think they would commit genocide if they could. That’s just my opinion.

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Even without hamas, israel will continue the occupation, steal their land, kidnapp, kill and rape palestinians

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One of those goals is to kill each jew.

Can you cite a source for that or are you just repeating what Netanyahu said on state TV?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hamas_charter

What I didn’t knew was that they updated it in 2017. However I don’t think they stand behind the new charter

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It’s anti-semitic to conflate judaism with zionism. Fuck off with that nonsense.

There is nothing in judaism that requires colonialism, genocide, etc. Zionism is a modern cult created by overt colonizers grifting off judaism. It’s offensive to equate this modern bullshit with an ancient religion.

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Because it’s totally possible to eliminate Hamas, just like how we eliminated the Taliban and the Viet Cong. Guerilla groups like this are fueled by war, especially ones with this many atrocities against civilians. If the war isn’t going to stop until Hamas is gone get ready to either genocide Palestine or get in a never ending quagmire, pretty easy to guess what netanyahu’s government prefers.

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That’s the type of argument that I used to buy into. I don’t anymore, because it has become abundantly clear that Israel’s attitude to Palestinians is exactly the same as Hamas’ attitude to Israel.

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Look for yourself, that’s not the case.

Hamas 1988 Charter and Revised 2017 Charter

The 1988 Charter, which is unreasonable for wanting Sharia Law and belief in the antisemitic conspiracy theory of the Elder Protocols of Zion, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. Hamas wants an end to Israel as an Apartheid State, not an extermination of all Israelis. Under Ahmed Yassin in the 1990’s, truces were offered in exchange for Israeli to withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank to the 1967 borders. The 2017 Revised charter explicitly accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter.

There will be no end to the conflict until the end of the Occupation and Apartheid. Israel has repeatedly refused any permanent ceasefire. Instead they executed the principal negotiator on foreign soil. While they have perpetually delayed any genuine ceasefire, they have ruthlessly killed tens of thousands of children, hundreds of journalists, and even their own hostages. They have repeatedly displayed Palestinians in Gaza, bombed schools, Refugee camps, places of worship, historical sites. They have starved the entirely of Gaza more than even before Oct 7th, in which the majority of Gazans were food insecure due to the blockade.

This has been nearly an entire year of genocide. Make no mistake. Israel is the obstacle to a ceasefire, not Hamas.

History of peace process - The Intercept

“A Textbook Case of Genocide”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Raz Segal Decries Israel’s Assault on Gaza

Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated

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The wording is on purpose even for lazy readers like me : “Hamas rejects ”(…something, I’ve already clicked away.)

In my bad memory, now it’s Hamas who did some vaguely negative thing. We didn’t see “Israel fails (to offer something reasonable).” We probably won’t ever see that.

Start watching for this - you’ll see it too

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Most people only read headlines.

Americans read headlines. And not much else.

Overall, 41 percent of Americans report that they watched, read, or heard any in-depth news stories, beyond the headlines, in the last week.

Can’t blame them too much when there’s so much information but ‘news’ sites are intentionally abusing this.

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From the article cited : https://www.axios.com/2024/08/18/hamas-rejects-us-ceasefire-hostage-proposal

More specifically, Hamas objects to the fact that the proposal doesn’t include a permanent ceasefire or comprehensive Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

Or from https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/19/middleeast/blinken-israel-herzog-ceasefire-talks-intl-hnk/index.html for example :

Netanyahu shot back, saying Israel will not be “giving in to Hamas’s demand” to end the war in Gaza as a condition of a deal.
“The Prime Minister has strongly insisted on this fundamental demand, which is vital to achieving the goals of the war, and Hamas changed its position,” a statement from his office said Sunday. “The Prime Minister will continue to work on advancing a deal that will maximize the number of living hostages and which will enable the achieving of all of the war objectives."

Meanwhile, i’ve read 3 newspapers articles this morning(, in french), and they were only talking about the Egypt-Gaza border as the reason for why the deal was refused.

Edit : I guess it’s implied that a permanent ceasefire will follow in the “second phase”, and a reconstruction in the third one. This comment was useless, sorry, it seems indeed that the problem came from the new israeli demands.
It won’t end the many problems that Palestinians have to face, including the colonization, their many hostages, and everything else.
If Israel can’t offer anything, and its allies won’t offer anything else, then they can still offer to be an islamic sect with jewish characteristics, recognizing Muhammad’s prophethood(, peace be upon him), and their neighbours as sisters/brothers, as one community. They wouldn’t lose anything really but add traditions on top of their current ones, while staying different, muslims waited a long time to be accepted by the previous generation. It’d help, Israel would be an islamic land, more specifically of the old jewish sect who celebrates Muhammad as the last Prophet, but with other muslims as well.
If Israel took the heart of France, then we wouldn’t care as long as they fused with the rest of France later on.

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But Israel has a divine right to occupy and rape

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Gods most moral rapists

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