cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218550

(posting to both communities)

A carnist lemmy world instance admin has stepped in and meatsplained to the mods while restoring comments that violated the community’s rules. They deleted comments that they did not agree with, citing ‘misinformation’, and threatened to demod the mods if those comments were removed again. The comments were deleted and the admin was banned from the community as per violating the rules of the community, that was until they unbanned themselves (admin abuse) and unmodded two of the moderators because of “promoting harmfull actions against pets”.

As far as it stands, if the lemmy world community wasn’t already not a safe vegan place for you (it really wasn’t) it most certainly isn’t now as carnists (lemmy world instance admin) currently mod it.

I suggest any vegan who wants a safe and welcoming space to come and interact with vegantheoryclub.org. Sorry for any inconvienance that this may have caused. I am deeply upset at the admins actions today and don’t condone them whatsoever.

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I was removed for stating that synthetic taurine is a thing which is used in food all the time and that a whole food plant based diet would kill a cat. according to the admin this is promoting dangerous actions.

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It’s the vegans that are the animal abusers!

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What the actual fuck. Do they not even know that Monster Energy™ has vegan taurine? How else do they think vegans get their 166mg of caffeine per serving? 🙄

Anyways…

So, is this the instance mod overriding the community mods? Guess it’s time to give up on LW. It really has become the cesspit of Lemmy.

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That was Lemmy.ml originally. Sounds like world is just as bad

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I’m sorry, you were removed for recommending against a plant-based diet for cats by a non-vegan? I’m not sure I understand the angle here.

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No I was unremoving comments of someone explaining how a plant based diet can be safe, who also acknowledged that a whole food plant based diet would be lethal. In explaining why I was I also acknowledging that a whole food plant based diet would be lethal.

Cats can survive on a plant based diet, but only one carefully formulated and processed with additional supplements. If you try to keep mr fluffypaws alive on carrots and lentils he will die.

I point out this acknowledgement as it flies in the face of the alleged action of promoting harm to animals. You can check the modlog for the full hilarity /shrug

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Okay, that’s at least more consistent. Still bullshit, but it’s not as confusing.

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It’s also morally ambiguous to force an animal into a diet they have no understanding of.

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This is why veganism needs to become a protected belief in every country of the world.

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Lol no

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I’m not vegan but I respect people for wanting a space to discuss.

https://sh.itjust.works/c/veganrecipes

https://slrpnk.net/c/vegan

vegantheoryclub.org is defederated from most of lemmy, but these communities are accessible and they are located on other instances.

@Beaver@lemmy.ca what communities do you prefer?

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vegantheoryclub.org is defederated from most of lemmy

Seems like a red flag.

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I personally just visit the community !vegan@vegantheoryclub.org since it is hosted and ran completely by vegans.

I would recommend the instances of VeganTheoryClub and Lemmy.vg to experience the vegan subculture without censorship.

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I tried to sub, but I’ve been waiting at pending for months

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It could because the instances slowly federating more instances on a case by case basis.

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Maybe I’m misunderstanding something but when I go to the instance list on lemmy.world it lists vegantheoryclub.org as being a linked instance. For good measure I also made sure that it wasn’t on the blocked instances list. But when I try to view any community that exists on vegantheoryclub.org from lemmy.world it gives an error as if the entire instance is blocked.

If an instance is defederated it would show up on the blocked instance list right? That’s literally what that is a lost of is it not? And if so was vegantheoryclub very recently defederated and the list just hasn’t been updated or something?

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To give more context the Instance Vegan Theory Club defederated from Lemmy World since there were too many troll comments originating from there.

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It only shows up as blocked if the instance is actively blocking it. VeganTheoryClub blocks LemmyWorld, but not the other way around and once an instance blocks another, traffic will not go through in either directions.

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Ah, that makes sense. I hadn’t considered that they might be blocking it the other way around. Thank you.

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I respect people for wanting a space to discuss.

The mods here were deleting any comments (correctly) suggesting that vegan diets are unhealthy for housecats, so whatever “discussion” you thought was possible before the admins came around wasn’t happening, because the mods forbid any discussion that includes difficult facts.

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Theres also hexbear.net/c/vegan and hexbear.net/c/food, in fact the whole instance has a vegan-as-the-norm mindset even if not everyone is vegan.

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I read the mod log regularly. I lol’d pretty hard when I saw the great Rooki himself get banned that day. Extremely not surprised to see that this has happened, it is typical LW admin behavior.

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Former LW team member here: Yeah all of the head admins fucking suck and many of them are cunts. I’m not vegan, but I am a state licensed and trained wildlife carer and while many people were lying about the bs with cats being able to be vegan etc, it isn’t okay the way the sub was stolen by the admins. Peace, Ala/Zealous.

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Damn, now I need to manually migrate :/

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Yes, we have vegan cookies (and also vegan pizza upon your arrival)

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It’s a cool place and you’re a cool dude. You’ll fit in

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Vegans need to come together.

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Soon…

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reason #50931 to not use lemmy.world for your account or your community.

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