Bernie loves me and I love him.

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came here to ask but what about Bernie?

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Bernie loves you too, I think so does Beyonce.

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Definitely weird and just as common with the blue maga.

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Is it though?

I feel there isn’t really a blue equivalent of the nutcases who cover their homes and vehicles from top to bottom in Trump propaganda.

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It’s kind of cheating to watch the DNC because that’s where and when they come out of the woodwork, but they’re on full display right now to get reference.

But yes, the very public merchandising is definitely the Trump contribution that doesn’t have as strong an equivalent with the Democratic Party.

But then again the GOP is still full of mask-on Trump supporters without the nutcase pageantry.

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I feel like there is a significant difference between going to the DNC and going to the RNC.

For one, the DNC attendees didn’t bring jizz cups with them.

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Remember when Obama won? People thought all of their problems were going to disappear overnight lol. Acting like they just won the lotto.

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I was there for that. It was the first big election where the Internet really mattered for organizing. We trounced the opposition on election day. What we didn’t do was maintain the organization that elected Obama and aim it downballot. We lost the legislature and that was the end of Obama’s mandate.

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Which election: the one that was 16 years ago or the one that was 12 years ago ?

And didn’t win the lotto but I also am not in medical debt bankruptcy because of Obama and later McCain.

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Hope and change! And then…

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And then he pushed for Universal Healthcare? We went into a major depression and his work pushed us out of it? Repealed “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”? You know how shit it was to travel to other countries under Bush thanks to the Iraq War? Do you know that minorities for decades saw the presidency as a “Old White Dude club” since forever?

People acting like they fucked around for their presidency.

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And then he pushed for Universal Healthcare?

Which he failed to deliver despite Democrats having a filibuster-proof majority. Instead they appeased Republicans by implementing a Republican healthcare plan from the 90’s. They couldn’t even codify Roe V. Wade into law despite that being a campaign issue for Obama. For some reason the timing wasn’t right.

You know how shit it was to travel to other countries under Bush thanks to the Iraq War?

You mean that war Obama didn’t end because it was “too complicated” and instead killed hundreds of people (including children) with flying robots? That Iraq war?

We’re talking about a guy who was given the Nobel Peace prize at the start of his presidency (for not being Bush) and then accelerated the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Romneycare?

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i think the issue is that the media dominating US is basically like sports fans, but there are only 2 teams (that actually matter) so it always comes down to an US vs Them attitude, for me here in Europe there is the party that’s closest to my views and then there is the party that’s close enough and actually have a chance to do things, so I vote for them and if they stop doing the things I want them to do, I will vote some other party.

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All of my local candidates always run independent in my small town because it is so divided. There’s really not much will for parties to control the town.

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I once went to a superbowl party where the host filled a few coolers with beers and taped a presidential candidates name on top of each cooler. People voted by grabbing a beer from their guys cooler.

American politics never made as much sense to me as it did in that moment.

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Not really related but you comment reminds me that in a lot of places, you dip your finger in purple stain after you cast your vote, and that’s how they make sure everyone gets to vote and nobody votes twice. Like, if there’s no ink on your finger yet, you can walk in and vote. Even if your not from there.

There’s never going to be any such think as a perfect election. There’s always going to be people voting that shouldn’t be, or votes that don’t get counted correctly, and that sucks but it’s a massive undertaking with opportunities for mistakes everywhere.

In other words, the election result are always going to be an approximation of the electorate’s will. We should aim to be close but not perfect.

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The mixed effects of Celebrity and Tribalism are incredible.

I like to think I’m very logical, been in contact with the Acting World in the UK (plus some of my friends had seen the TV World from the inside) which really tore down a lot of the impact I would get from other people being Famous: basically what we on the outside see about Famous people is a highly managed and complete total bollocks image (possibly worse so in Politics) and even barelly know fringe actors are under social/professional pressure to manage their public impression and say certain things but not others.

Further, I’m in my 50s, lived in several countries, seen quite a bit more than the average person, am at the top of my profession and am hardly lacking in self-confidence or self-belief.

And yet, some time ago when I joined a small political party where I live now - Portugal - (were “small political party”, unlike in the US, means they have members of Parliament and the leaders are frequently interviewed on TV) and went to a “Welcome to the Party” meeting for members in the district that contains the capital city of the country, I could feel the “Uh, ahh, important person” feeling and the umconfortable self-awareness in the presence of such people.

For! Fuck’s! Sake!

I think this crap has nothing to do with Logic (as logically being well-known has very little to do with wisdom or most other qualities except perhaps presentation, and leadership of a Party is seldom the resultof the qualities traditionally deemed to be admirable and which make a Great Man or Great Woman) and comes from some deep down pack instinct or whatever such crap.

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