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The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool.

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I think the rift between haveno devs and the haveno-reto devs is causing some project management issues. One such example that I get direct exposure is around adding a flatpak and AppImage packaging for Haveno(-Reto) and another is around how (or should?) should the users be able to switch between mainnet providers.

For the example of the first one read down from this message: https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/issues/270#issuecomment-2294807880

And for the example of the second one, read down this issue: https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/issues/931

There is a friction in trying to coordinate and contribute to the developers working on different (albeit quite similar) repos (in the case of the original Haveno repo and the -Reto repo). This friction in comms and contribution is causing delays in introducing software distribution packages such as AppImage and Flatpaks, which hinders (especially for TailsOS and Qubes-Whonix users) the onboarding of the new users, and decentralizing Monero’s liquidity.

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Is appimage or flatpak actually needed? Devs probably have things higher priority. You can “install” the .deb on most Linux systems simply by extracting the needful and running the binary. You may need to download the java runtime to run.

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AppImage is absolutely necessary for users of TailsOS and Qubes-Whonix.

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People have has success running on both of those, so I’m really confused why its absolutely necessary. I say again, you literally can unpack the .deb contents to run tbe executable.

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True, but this is the price you pay for the developers being totally independent from network operators.

Their incentives are not totally aligned, and we get friction

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If we look at the funded CCS proposals https://ccs.getmonero.org/work-in-progress/, a lot of the recently funded proposals have very few donors, while the amount of money donated is quite big, which means that they are extremely generously funded by a very small group of people (sometimes just 1 person!).

  1. Do we know who is funding the proposals? (I know we cannot answer this by looking at the blockchain due to the privacy features of XMR, but maybe there are some accepted theories in the community where funds are coming from?).
  2. What happens if those few people stop their donations?
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Fortunately, you’re reading the numbers wrong. Yes, some projects have 1-3 projects. Those projects tend to be side projects (e.g. Revuo, web site maintenance, etc) and are likely founded mostly from wallet providers and Monero service providers since it helps spread information that helps the ecosystem. I know Cakewallet has funded a few of these. The really important projects have 5-70 contributors. If donations stop, then some people would keep working on it because Monero is important, but they wouldn’t be able to spend very much time on it so progress would be incredibly slow.

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