I need a messenger that can work without a sim card. I tried jami but didn’t really like it. Thanks everyone

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Anything that uses XMPP.

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What is the difference between XMPP vs matrix?

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Using this very good comparison site in German as base and ignoring the similarities:

Technical

  • XMPP allows for various different client styles while Matrix doesn’t
  • Fully featured, mature text-only clients for XMPP exist, but for Matrix there are only beta text clients available
  • Matrix handles/addresses are always public in chat rooms while XMPP chat rooms can be configured to hide them
  • Matrix has multi-server chatrooms for reliability in case of server or network issues while XMPP chatrooms alre always bound to one single server
  • Matrix Chatrooms can be encrypted. XMPP chatrooms can be encrypted or not encrypted. (there’s no further explanation on this point, I assume it’s meant that Matrix servers can turn on encryption and that’s it, while XMPP servers allow the chatroom administrator to decice and do not force one or another)
  • Administrative data is stored on one XMPP server. Matrix administrative data is stored on the servers of all connected users
  • XMPP is modular and the protocol itself can be extended while Matrix is monolithic
  • XMPP protocol uses XML while Matrix protocol uses JSON
  • Matrix focuses on reliability and availability of chatrooms, XMPP focuses on features and extensibility
  • XMPP uses less system resources than Matrix
  • Chatroom data storage is done only on the XMPP server the chatroom is running on, while Matrix stores chatroom data on all of the servers of the connected users
  • XMPP directly sends a message if the connection is open, otherwise a push notification is sent. Matrix only sends a push notification to the client and the client has to pull the message from the server

Organizational

  • XMPP is an IETF standard while Matrix isn’t
  • XMPP board and council are equally elected by all members. Matrix is a “single-party system” where the board decides who is allowed in the board.
  • For XMPP all members are allowed to question/check/validate the board and council and there are annual elections. For Matrix, the Matrix.org Foundation (technical council) and New Vector Ltd. (service provider) expect trust from the community.
  • On the XMPP board and council, all actors have to name their interests and their employer (this is to prevent having more than 15% of board/council members from the same company which would give a single company too much power). For Matrix there is no known information about such a clause.
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it depends on who you want to talk to. If the protocol does not matter I suggest matrix. Otherwise I suggest more specifics.

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Just my friend who doesn’t have a sim card, he has an android phone

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Matrix / Element should work fine then.

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Signal is a very popular option.

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There are quite a few. In order of preference, I used/tried:

  • XMPP (Android-Conversations; Windows-Gajim)
  • Element/Matrix
  • Session
  • Discord
  • Slack
  • Twinme
  • Teams
  • Skype
  • Facebook Messenger
  • Instagram DMs
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SimpleX Messenger is a great option.

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There’s tons of free options for XMPP clients and servers.

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Is it better than matrix?

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On user side matrix has more features (or maybe more bloat, element is kinda huge), but XMPP servers are easier to self-host

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Won’t burn thru your battery or server storage either

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