Hasn’t mass deportation been happening since Obama? Didn’t Biden up the efforts with his administration? Kamala went down to the border and said “Do not come”, yet these people are pretending it’s not happening.
I don’t like how we currently handle the immigration, but if you think any of what is happening now or under Obama was bad, wait until you see what trump plans. To compare the mass deportations planned by trump and his plan to Obama is a bad faith, both sides argument.
Why do people on this site assume others haven’t thought of things? What is this need to be overly nit-picky and pedantic? Have you considered that maybe what I’m saying is different than what you thought and that I’m only criticizing some aspect of the whole? You’re the second person doing that today. Instead of outright accusing someone of things, why don’t you ask clarifying questions first?
E: Downvote if you feel identified. God forbid someone expresses their frustration at this neckbeard behavior.
Why do people on this site assume others haven’t thought of things? What is this need to be overly nit-picky and pedantic? Have you considered that maybe what I’m saying is different than what you thought and that I’m only criticizing some aspect of the whole? You’re the second person doing that today. Instead of outright accusing someone of things, why don’t you ask clarifying questions first?
E: Downvote if you feel identified. God forbid someone expresses their frustration at this neckbeard behavior.
I’m confused why these people are most concerned about immigrants more than anything else.
If you deport them, what next? It’s not gonna solve all your problems.
I’m confused why these people are most concerned about immigrants more than anything else.
Spend a few hours on the right-wing news circuit and you’ll discover everything from serial murder to economic downturns to my favorite candidate losing the election to the price of milk is directly related to Illegal Immigrants Breaking The Law. They’re all voting. They’re sneaking into the country to do horrible crimes. They’re destroying everything about this country that’s noble and honest and good. They are dismantling the English language. They dress stupid. They’re doing Michael Bay style action movie heists and car chases. They’re impregnating your daughter right this instant and that’s why she won’t return your phone calls.
And they are all working at the behest of a (((shadowy evil organization))) of far-left communist radicals who have been plotting for the last 500 years to destroy American, end Christianity, and force white people into slavery under the yoke of Chinese Muslim College Leftist Atheist Satanist Pedophiles.
If you’re not worried about immigrants, you hate America.
Same reason other groups have been blamed over the years. In Nazi Germany, the Jews were blamed for basically everything - the loss of the war, inequality, etc. MAGA is doing the same thing, but with immigrants.
Why? Blaming someone else for your problems is a lot easier than understanding what’s actually going on and going after that. Amusingly, MAGA leaders are using it as a diversionary tactic as they put policies in place that benefit the wealthiest. Pitting the poor against one another prevents them from seeing what’s actually happening.
Blaming someone else for your problems is a lot easier than understanding what’s actually going on
I would argue it isn’t just a matter of making things “easy”. Migration is a symptom of larger socio-economic and ecological changes.
Drug wars, crack downs on native rights and labor movements, climate-change induced economic collapse, and the wholesale destruction of local communities through industrial development have created a population of tens of millions of displaced people.
Even when you understand “what’s going on” there’s very little you can do about it. But one thing Americans can do and have gotten really good at is building big gated communities to keep poor people out while still exploiting their cheap labor.
The urge to arrest and deport large numbers of migrants is, at its root, the urge to build a more advanced and comprehensive gated community. One that can still exploit the labor of America’s southern neighbors without sharing any of the infrastructure we’ve developed to make life pleasant in the states.
And the urge is deepened as the prior generation’s investment in infrastructure shows visible signs of collapse. With fewer functioning highways, aquifers, generators, and public services, the American impulse is to start expelling the poorest among us in order to horde the balance.
Pitting the poor against one another prevents them from seeing what’s actually happening.
Pitting the middle class against the poor promises to guarantee another generation of relative prosperity. This is a kind of ultimatum issued by the very rich, and not unique to a particular party. You either get on the right side of immigration, or we take away your privileges and expel you, too.
The fight between Dems and Repubs is less about whether we do a mass expulsion (its easy to find homeless roundups in a dozen major blue cities from Houston to NYC to Chicago) and more about who we target for atrocity.
Mass deportation would cause catastrophic problems in the United States. Mainly to red states.
It’s also a logistical nightmare.
How do you get millions of people out of the country in a timely fashion.
They’d need some place to put all of them for sorting, some kind of camp where they could concentrate the population.
Likely they’d just be sitting around all day, but thanks to the 14th amendment, they can be put to work for free.
And it would take forever to get all these people over the border, and they could just come right back over. They’d need some kind of long term solution, something final to prevent more immigrants from coming over.
Yeah this is gonna be bad.
You wanna know why? Because they are a group that can’t defend themselves. Fascists need enemies. If it is not immigrants, it is the “transexuals and gays”. They need a “Snowball” that is the source of every woe.
Watch this. https://youtu.be/vGAqYNFQdZ4?si=sZSPK3ELrY35xrFn The 1947 US Department of Defense can explain it better than I can.
I thought this was a trump quote while reading it. One of his rambling lies. It was actually shocking to see it attributed to Anne Frank.
Never seen so many Karen’s in one Pic. You just know these are type of women that think their word is final. They believe they know all
Little do they know they’ve been duped by the biggest conman of all time, trump. A man that wins votes by instilling fear. A conman that’s voter base are the most easily conned folks on earth. They will believe anything as long as it’s back by some form of fear. Some of the dumbest people on earth unable to think for themselves
A man that wins votes by instilling fear.
This is one of those things you can honestly “both sides”. Trump tries to get votes by instilling fear of immigrants and trans, Dems try to get votes by instilling fear of Trump. Because neither for the most part are willing to present a positive reason to vote for them that would remotely get enough votes to win.
You think fear of immigrants and fear of fascism are comparably illegitimate? Oof
I think fear that if a Republican wins office it will be the end of democracy and we will collapse into a single party totalitarian system is probably unfounded, yes.
I suspect the Democrat party feels the same way behind closed doors, otherwise we wouldn’t have heard their candidate at the time (this was before Biden quit) say “I’ll feel, as long as I gave it my all and I did [as] good a job as I know I can do, that’s what this is about." That’s not a thing you say if you genuinely believe that this election is the last chance to save the country from becoming an authoritarian fascist state.
But really that’s besides the point - the point is that both sides actively engage in trying to terrify their voters into voting for them because neither can present a reason why we should want to vote for them in remotely enough numbers to win otherwise.
These type of women know they are second hand citizens in their homes, they know that they are oppressed, but the thought of power having on a lesser group of people ( that they think those people are) is huge, they want to have some sort of power and they’re just getting that from maga.
Harris pledged to bring back border security bill
She’s openly promising to be worse than Trump.
I don’t see anything in the Biden bill about deporting people who have been living in the US for any amount of time. It seems to be all about quickly turning around new migrants during “surges” and changes to the way new cases are handled. I’m not saying I support the bill, but it does not seem to be a mass deportation bill. Tell me if I’m wrong.
It’s not a mass deportation bill, but it is an asylum denial bill that violates international law and it’s one that Trump killed.
Trump killed a legitimately bad and cruel bill. He did it because he’s a petty idiot and he didn’t want to let his rival have a “win”, but he still did it. Harris promises to bring that awful shit back. All bipartisan bills are bad, every time. Whenever democrats start talking about bipartisanship, realize what they’re actually talking about is fascist collaboration.
The other party is the enemy. We shouldn’t be working with them, we should be- doing something else with them. 🙂
Yeah muricas politics is fucked, yet Trump is still a worse choice in pretty much all regards. I could even imagine him bringing back a worse law…
It’s choosing for the lesser evil…
