“Signal is being blocked in Venezuela and Russia. The app is a popular choice for encrypted messaging and people trying to avoid government censorship, and the blocks appear to be part of a crackdown on internal dissent in both countries…”

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Smart move, considering Signal is a US-hosted centralized service that has to comply with US NSL laws.

These comments below seem to be unaware of all the issues privacy advocates have of signal.

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they hated him because he spoke the truth smh

use matrix, briar, simplex in that order

also what email platforms + vpns do you recommend, out of curiosity?

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Matrix isn’t as good as Simplex Chat. Briar is good as it is very hard to censor but it does use battery and requires you to be only all the time. (unless you count Briar mailbox)

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sure, simplex is very private, but its also a pain in the ass to use currently. i feel like matrix makes a decent tradeoff between easy use and privacy

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I don’t get it, are you really arguing that Russia and Venezuela are blocking Signal to protect their citizens from American snooping?

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All countries should ban US-domiciled companies like signal, or any communication platform hosted in Five-eyes countries, and especially ones domiciled in the US, which has to adhere to National Security Letters.

https://www.eff.org/issues/national-security-letters/faq

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Mass censorship is never good for civil liberties. Let people decide on there own.

Also Signal is cryptographically sound. Many other messagers use a similar protocol

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My question was more about the motives in this case.

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Isn’t the whole point of something like End-to-End Encryption so that not even the company themselves can read your messages?

In that case it wouldn’t matter even if they did turn the info over.

Edit: I read more into the page you linked. Looks like those NSLs can’t even be used to request the contents either way:

Can the FBI obtain content—like e-mails or the content of phone calls—with an NSL?

Not legally. While each type of NSL allows the FBI to obtain a different type of information, that information is limited to records—such as “subscriber information and toll billing records information” from telephone companies.

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Signal has strong cryptographic protocols that are not easily broken. It pioneered the use of double ratchet encryption. (Different keys for each message)

It does expose phone numbers to Signal and the US government but that may or may no be a concern depending on what your threat model is.

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matrix stays winning

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Probably mostly because almost nobody uses it.

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Couple million is absolutely nobody /s

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Almost is absolutely \s

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Matrix isn’t secure depending on how you use it. It also doesn’t protect individual identities terribly well.

Simplex Chat would be the better option however the main Simplex Chat server and matrix server could end up blocked as well.

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Matrix is entirely self-hostable, and you can turn off both federation, and the requirements for any linkable identifiers.

Signal by contrast requires your phone number, isn’t self-hostable, and is based in a five-eyes country.

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Matrix doesn’t protect metadata, which is arguably just as (if not more) important than message data. Signal by contrast does protect metadata and proper implements Perfect Forward Secrecy for all chats. I do think Signal’s centralized design and phone number requirements problematic, but Signal still has many merits. Such as its massive user base for a AGPL-only project.

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plenty of servers for both though

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Couldn’t they block them too? Monitor the domains people connect to, check if it’s a Matrix server and block it if it is.

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The overwhelming majority of users are on the main servers. It also impacts self hosted Matrix servers that use the matrox.org identity server.

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they figured it out that it’s CIA :)

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It’s like a medal of honor for a privacy preserving app 😄

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“Banned in 15 dicatorships!”

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Indeed. If whatsapp isn’t on the list, then I have all the confirmation I need.

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The Russian government has also allegedly begun preparations to block the WhatsApp messaging app.

https://kyivindependent.com/messenger-signal-blocked-in-russia-media-says/

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Some US bank got in trouble for using it internally.

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Zucks check didn’t clear yet.

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Signal honored!

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