I might not be understanding something about the fediverse, but isn’t this like if you couldn’t send or receive email from a friend because you use gmail Google decided to block @icloud domains?
Like, you’re not forced to follow or interact with it, and are free to block it if you can think of a reason to, I just don’t see why such an open platform used to limit users in this way
I think the argument is that Meta would hoover up and profit from posts from people who don’t consent to use it. AFAIK, you can’t block an instance from seeing your posts and comments, so the only real option is defederation.
You can’t block anything from seeing your posts and comments though. That is point of a free and public space. Defederation isn’t doing what you think it is
this is exactly it. these people are posting public information, and are then getting butt-hurt when its used a public resource.
im running an mbin instance (shoutout https://moist.catsweat.com !), which does connect to threads. I purposefully avoided using lemmy as its not capable of doing that. I wanted to give people stuck in the FB walled garden a path out where they could still communicate with their friends and family on threads.
my only concern with threads is one of resource management/volume. I cant have their stream physically take down my server, so that would be the only reason for me to block them.
a rather large lemmy contingent are vehemently, emotionally anti-meta. see also the ‘fedipact’
Sure, websites could scrape and whatnot, but having actual API integration is a very different thing.
only until llm scrapers hit the market. they will make the api requirement negligible. like reddit is finding out now… you can block your api all you want but people are just going to scrape your public site.
The concept as I understand it is that Threads has the sheer volume of content to completely drown out the existing Fedi content if it fully opens the floodgates. If that occurs and say 90% of content becomes Threads and then they start making Threads only extensions to Activity Pub, servers will have to start patching those in and the Activity Pub project is defacto owned by Meta.
People also have issues with the Meta content moderation and the population on Threads, but as you noted that’s fixable on an individual and community level. The existential threat to the future of the Fediverse is why servers should defederate. Meta can’t and shouldn’t be trusted with any amount of power over this community project.
This is called “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish”. Microsoft coined the term internally for their responses to open standards in the 90’s and 00’s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Lemmy World is doing a pretty good job of that themselves. I don’t hate them, but I don’t understand why.
No, they aren’t. They aren’t by any means.
Maybe there are more posts from that instance, but there is no one trying to then extend the protocol with the objective of requesting special features and then killing off the protocol.
There’s a lot of reactionary anti-corpo types here. There’s really no good reason for users to want to defederate from a Facebook owned instance. It’s also a pointless stance, as threads is a Twitter/mastodon style site and not really compatible with reddit/lemmy style sites.
There are some technical reasons to avoid federating for those hosting instances. The software forces local copies of everything users subscribe to which is a massive space concern. There’s also a problem with performance of syncing that data for large instances that’s already a problem with .world size instances, where it can take a day+ to process new comments.
There’s really no good reason for users to want to defederate from a Facebook owned instance.
Yeah why would anyone object to a company that manipulated people for the fascist who tried to overthrow the US government, and recently hired a co-author of Project 2025? ‘You just don’t like it!’
I don’t want to interact with anything related to that company. There’s a reason I don’t have accounts on any of their platforms. I don’t like them.
Because I remember this https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
And it feels like deja vu.
