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I find those comparisons always a bit odd, because what you are measuring against is an arbitrary schedule. Any train service can reach near 100% punctuality by adding sufficient slack in the schedule so that most trains are able to reach their destination even before the scheduled time of arrival.

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You say that like it’s a bad thing, but being honest about the schedule sounds like an absolute plus - for some reason, organizations within some countries have schedules they cannot meet, and I doubt they aren’t well aware already. It might be because realistic schedules make them look bad, so they just fudge the numbers to make themselves look better?

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I am just saying that the graphic compares apples and oranges. No value judgement involved.

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When you know that in Switzerland train are due late after 3 minutes when it’s 5 minutes in the other countries. And, Switzerland uses its network at >95% with clock face timetable. It actually is making impossible possible.

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Except they don’t do that. And just expanding the schedule does not work when you need to juggle passenger trains as well as freight trains. Planning for more time between the trains means less throughput and therefore less money. But as a dispatcher, @ZonenRanslite@feddit.org is surely more qualified to argue than any of us.

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Germany has ruined the railways through austerity. Thanks, Ministry of Transport.

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I thought the blame was on DB, a private company, for taking the profits without any investment on the infrastructure (I just realize, the infra is state/ public?).

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A train service with a lot of slack isn’t a successful one though, as it would make them not that competitive in comparison to other means of transportation, by A- the journey looking longer than otherwise and B- the extra slack means that trains are circulating less, and are less profitable

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Sure, but the diagram compares train services of different countries against each other, however their scheduling standards are not comparable.

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10 points

Can we please stop excluding the UK from these charts? Its still geographically European and acting like it isn’t just feeds the brexiters… also because it’d be funny to have a country with -37 as its punctuality value on here.

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Is a train late if it still hasn’t arrived?

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For Germany, I can answer that: No, that’s not included in the official DB stats.

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There is only 12 countries on the list, it’s not complete. But of course the UK was purposefully “excluded”, must be because of brexit. 🙄

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Where’s Japan?

Edit: yeah, I’m dumb. Wasn’t paying attention.

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Japan is just east of China, across the Sea of Japan and a hair north of the East China Sea. You can’t miss it.

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In Asia 😉

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Last time I was in geography class, it was located in Asia, not Europe. Things have changed in the world since then, but I do not think this has. Hope that helps.

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I won’t accept this chart until Andorra is on it.

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No trains no late trains, tocks finger on front.jpg

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7 points

Okay where’s sweden?

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assuming the document i found is accurate, in 2023 96% of trains were at most 15 minutes late, 87.7% were at most 5 minutes late, and 77.1% were at most 2 minutes late.

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Anyone who might be surprised that Germany is so low here, Germans are always surprised people think it would be very high.

There is a simple reason, too: Auto-Lobby. Our car manufacturers are very powerful in politics and public infrastructure is heavily underfunded.

Funnily enough, highways and other roads are also crumbling, so good luck to the car makers when there is less and less road to drive those precious machines on.

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America is much the same in that regard. We have probably the most laughably terrible train network, both in terms of freight and passenger, for any western country, especially relative to any meaningful metric like GDP. It’s down to a noxious mix of car lobby, racism, and stupid policy choices (single family housing exclusive zoning, parking minimums, etc) all applied consistently over 70 years. In spite of all that, and in spite of increasingly enormous re-investment packages, our roads never really seem to get much better. I hope it’s the same in Germany, but I’ve noticed that having better mobility solutions than cars and planes only is quickly becoming a pretty mainstream position in the US.

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The American auto industry effectively killed trains here. I’d love to have often-late high speed trains instead of “you want to go from Texas to Chicago? Fly, drive, or go fuck yourself.”

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I mean you are still building massive highways. Most european countries aren’t building highways anymore.

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Not really. It’s mostly maintenance and only a few new projects due to shifting demand.

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Germany is still expanding highways both in length and in with rather than doing maintenance because it’s easier to sell politically.

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I would say the root cause of the DB issues is rather the failed attempt to privatise it, which caused years decades of infrastructure underinvestment to cook the books to make it look more attractive to private investors.

But of course the strong car lobby also played a role in that.

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There are no private investors. Its 100% owned by the state…

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But they are organised as and run like a private company and driven purely by short term profits and will pay big time bonuses to their executives (usually ex polititians) every year.

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Yes, hence me saying “failed”. They cooked the books because they wanted to put it up for sale on the stock market, but in the end that never happend for a lot of different reasons.

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This is the main reason. While the car lobby is no doubt dangerously powerful they are also heavily dependant on the cargo department of DB. A massive amount of industrial commodities is moved by the railway network and not the ubiquitous trucks. If they worked to defund the railway infrastructure they would eventually hurt their own supply lines.

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I think you’re both right

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Additionally, the number presented is most likely too high, since it’s more important to tune the numbers than to provide good service.

Example: a late train can be taken out of service and replaced, or even not. Voila! Not late anymore.

I wish this wasn’t the reality.

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There is also the infamous <insert-name of current minister of infrastructure>-Wende (turnaround). In order to not be late anymore some trains just turned around two or three stops short of the actual destination.

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France does the same, a cancelled train isn’t delayed according to SNCF.

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I spent nearly a quarter century working for a German company.

The Germans think about the Swiss the same way we think about the Germans.

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Who is “we” in that sentence?

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There will be more road. Similarly to the US tho, the (former) infrastructure is falling apart as road infrastructure is also underfunded (partly due to new construction like lane addition or construction of new Autobahnen).

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Ah yes, the 12 countries of Europe.

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Yeah Is Slovenia the worst in europe or 12th best? Most probably it’s just random which countries are in the graph.

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Well we do suck in the train department bit I do think there are worse offenders.

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