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I know it’s not popular in this community, but we really need to understand that protest takes on many forms, and the Stop Oil protests have - for whatever reason - focused on a very unhelpful form.

We could talk about the reasons for that particular focus, or the other forms of protest that would be better.

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28 points

Everyone always tells protesters they are protesting wrong but we are talking about Just Stop Oil right now due the their protest.

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-6 points

Which landed them in prison and made other protests look bad.

Good job?

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3 points

Prison is just a reality of the fight for freedom. Support our troops! >:(

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Which protests would you approve of, and would anyone know they even happened beyond those who physically encountered them? Maybe some orderly sign waving on the side of a non-major road so no drivers are distracted?

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1 point

Are you familiar with civil rights protests?

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9 points

Yes, big fan.

First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”

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-3 points

Unpopular opinion. This is a terrible way to protest

Climate change is THE issue. I have seen first hand glaciers disappear over the last 10 years. Protests need to happen.

However endangering and/or damaging irreplaceable historical objects and art is not going to win you any friends and is not the way to protest. These guys look like loons to the general population. Most people would consider them vandals rather than protesters

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TBH if they had damaged the painting I’d be pissed, but if oil execs started suddenly falling out of windows Moscow style I really wouldn’t care. I don’t know if your opinion is actually unpopular, but I agree with it

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6 points

The painting was never in any danger of being damaged, and I’m certain these protesters knew that ahead of time.

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13 points

Yeah, but, unfortunately,

  1. Your opinion is not unpopular, it’s the most common one

And

  1. This is a proven, and wonderfully effective way to protest. Getting the media to report on things at all, is an enormous, and repeatedly researched driver of discussion and awareness. And the climate emergency is not acted upon enough, and the continued criminal actions of the Oil industry are also painfully underreported.

I wish from the bottom of my heart this natural sense of justice of yours was the way to solve these issues, but those rich fucks are literally relying on, and fanning the flames of this mental pitfall, to keep people more passive on this issue.

Data and science says this protest, just like most other protests, works.

Protest in any way you see fit, different kinds of protest “work” on different people and structures. Just go and actually participate in whichever you believe in.

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94 points

Judge Christopher Hehir told Plummer and Holland they “came within the width of a pane of glass of destroying one of the most valuable artworks in the world”

Meanwhile the people they are protesting are already destroying the planet which includes this artwork. And hey, that “pane of glass” is there to protect the artwork which it successfully did.

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-19 points

What, nobody died. It’s no big deal.

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Poe’s Law here, so I’m just gonna point out that yes, in fact plenty of people have died from climate change. Increasing intensity of storms, widening storm seasons, diminishing water supplies in formerly healthy tables, growing habitats of disease bearing insects, crushing heat waves and worsening cold snaps, elevated ocean levels and acidification, shallower mountain top snow melts, intensifying wildfires, and many more effects have killed people and will continue to kill more people as they continue to be ignored.

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The judge’s statement is so disingenuous, designed to deceive rather than to promote a realistic view of actions and consequences. They didn’t throw a can at the painting and luckily the glass held, they splashed some soup, with no chance of piercing the glass and doing no damage to it, and if the pane of glass wasn’t there they wouldn’t have done it.

Damaging the frame is something he can complain about, but the painting was never in danger. There’s definitely some political thrust to these overwrought and deceptive sentences the UK is giving to climate activists.

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3 points

Not only is it covered with glass the painting is also coated in a synthetic varnish that can easily be cleaned and replaced without harming the actual paint layer. Prison is too oppressive for something that can be cleaned for less than a grand.

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21 points

I hope it’s no more than 2 days in jail. Putting someone in jail for longer than the time it takes to clean up a foodstuff they threw at an inanimate object would be ludicrous and cruel wouldn’t it?

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Some climate action activists in the UK recently got 5 year sentences. I’m worried for these people because even though they knew the risks of bashing up against the UK’s absurdly draconian anti-protest laws (and props to their bravery), the recent sentences were shocking and felt like another level of escalation beyond what most people were expecting.

“Ludicrous and cruel” is certainly the description for it

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12 points

Given the “sentences” given to the elite, I’m surprised this wasn’t a fine. But then again, these people aren’t the elite.

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31 points

And yet the people ruthlessly pillaging the planet as we all plea for them to stop get to keep compounding their wealth while world leaders aid them. Fuck this world. The art won’t matter when no humans are around to appreciate it.

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