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An Apps Experiment

Cross-posted from https://lemmy.world/post/18159531

Introduction

This is an experiment I performed out of curiosity, and I have a few big disclaimers at the bottom. Basically, I’ve seen a lot of comments recently about one app or another not displaying something right. Lemmy has been around for a while now and can no longer be considered an experimental platform.

Lemmy and the apps that people use to access the platform have become an important part of people’s lives. Whether you are checking the app weekly or daily, and whether you use it to stay up on the news or to stay connected to your hobby, it’s important that it works. I hope that this helps people to see the extent of the challenge, and encourages developers to improve their apps, too.

How I did it

I wanted to investigate objectively how accurately each app displays text of posts and comments using the standard Lemmy markdown. Markdown is a standard part of the Lemmy platform, but not all apps handle it the same. It is basically what gives text useful formatting.

I used the latest release of each app, but did not include pre-releases. I only included apps that have released an update in the last 6 months, which should include most apps in active development. I was unable to test iOS-exclusive apps, so they are not included either. In all, 16 apps met the inclusion criteria.

I also added Eternity, which is in active development, although it has not had a recent update. I was able to include several iOS apps thanks to testing from @jordanlund@lemmy.world – Thanks, Jordan! This made for 20 apps that were tested.

Each app was rated in 5 categories: Text, Format, Spoilers, Links, and Images. I chose these mostly based on the wonderful Markdown Guide from @marvin@sffa.community, which was posted about a year ago in !meta@sffa.community (here).

I checked whether each app correctly displayed each category, then took the overall average. Each category was weighted equally. Text includes italic, bold, strong, strikethrough, superscript, and subscript. Format includes block quotes, lists, code (block and inline), tables, and dividers. Spoilers includes display of hidden, expandable spoilers. Links includes external links, username links, and community links. Images included embedded images, image references, and inline images.

Thanks to input from others, I also added a test to see if lemmy hyperlinks opened in-app. There was a problem with using the SFFA Community Guide that caused some apps to be essentially penalized twice because there was formatting inside formatting, so I created this TEST POST to more clearly and fairly measure each app.

In each case, I checked whether the display was correct based on the rules for Lemmy Markdown, and consistent with the author’s intent. In cases where the app recognized the tag correctly but did not display it accurately, that was treated as a fail.

Results

Out of a possible perfect 10, 6 apps displayed all markdown correctly:

Alexandrite - 10.0

Connect - 10.0

Jerboa (Official Android client) - 10.0

Photon - 10.0

Summit - 10.0

Voyager - 10.0

Quiblr - 9.5

Arctic - 9.3

Interstellar - 9.1

Lemmuy-UI - 9.0

Thunder - 8.9

Tesseract - 8.6

mlmym - 8.0

Racoon - 7.6

Boost - 7.3

Eternity - 7.0

Lemmios - 6.9

Sync - 6.9

Lemmynade - 6.1

Avelon - 5.7

More details of testing here

Disclaimers

Disclaimers

I Love Lemmy Apps (and their devs)

Lemmy apps devs work very hard, and invest a lot in the platform. Lemmy is better because they are doing the work that they do. Like, a LOT better. Everyone who uses the platform has to access it through one app or another. Apps are the face of the entire platform. Whether an app is a FOSS passion project, underwritten by a grant, or generating income through sales or ads, no one is getting rich by making their app. It is for the benefit of the community.

This is not meant to be a rating of the quality or functionality of any app. An app may have a high rating here but be missing other features that users want, or users may love an app that has a lower rating. This is just about how well apps handle markdown.

This is pretty unscientific

You’ll see my methodology above. I’m not a scientist. There is probably a much better way to do this, and I probably have biases in terms of how I went about it. I think it’s interesting and probably has some valuable information. If you think it’s interesting, let me know. If you think of a better way, PM me and I’d be happy to share what I have so you don’t have to start from scratch.

My only goal is to help the community

I do think that accurately displaying markdown should be a standard expectation of a finished app. I hope that devs use this as an opportunity to shore up the areas that are lagging, and that they have a set of standards to aim for.

I don’t have any Apple things

Sorry. This is just Android and Web review. If someone would like to see how iOS apps are doing, please reach out and I’ll share how we can work together to include them.

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Hey, I’m the Photon dev. I’d like to know which parts Photon incorrectly displayed, so far I only see tables rendering incorrectly. I’ll have this fixed soon.

Update: fixed table displays, pushed to main

Could this be updated now? 🥺 (you can test here)

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Holy shit, Photon has gotten this good now? When I tried it a few months back it felt like just yet another Lemmy client. Now it feels so smooth and polished. Works great on mobile even. Thanks for making this!

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Unrelated, but photon keeps randomly redirecting pages to what is previously viewed. It has screwed me over by making me post to the wrong community.

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I don’t understand what this means. There are no redirect calls at all in photon other than for /comment urls, and certain layouts.

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Not exactly redirect, but sometimes it just goes back to the previous page. Maybe something to do with window.history?

It was a while ago. I haven’t used it after the incident (July 12)

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Photon is so great i honestly feel like it should replace the default

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Agreed, translating it to french made me discover so many little features, did you knoe it can show the political bias of a linked article?

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Thats really cool i didnt know that

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Hey, the admin of slrpnk.net has been thinking of making Photon the default frontend but updates to it sometimes cause breaking issues? Any chance you could get into contact with them so it can become the default in a way that updates wont break it?

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I contacted them about it.

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Amazing, thank you!

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tell the admin to make a post on !photon@lemdro.id, xylight is vfry responsive.

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Woohoo Voyager!

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Voyager gang, let’s scroll

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It’s the best PWA ever made, to my knowledge.

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Oh I didn’t know it was a web app, I’ve only seen it on droidify, among other “normal” apps. It looks amazing !

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Voyager da 🐐 no 🧢

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Interesting to see that even Lemmy-UI does not display markdown completely correctly

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if you want to get fancy
you can even use undocumented tables
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This surprisingly works on boost.

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Works on Voyager.

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Did I pass? lol

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just as great as lemmy-ui

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Works on Thunder.

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Confirmed here on android

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Tables are a very common markdown extension most(?) popular markdown parsers support them

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for sure, but they’re neither mentioned on https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html nor on the linked CommonMark tutorial.

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Footnotes[1] are also undocumented.


  1. Hello world! ↩︎

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I wasn’t sure if Lemmuy-UI in the results list was a typo or an alternative interface. Now I know. 😄

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For some reason, Lemmy-UI does not convert usernames to links: @gedaliyah@lemmy.world

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it does, but only if you use the autocomplete feature. it’s also a bit delayed without any indicator that it’s loading.

if you type @gedal and wait a moment it’ll load @gedaliyah@lemmy.world to be selected:

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Yes, I’m not sure if that is meant to be a placeholder or a substitute for native user links. What it actually does is generate markup that converts the username into a web link, which is fine for most circumstances, but not ideal. A plaintext username should automatically link to the user. This creates an inconsistent behavior between posts depending on where (and when) they were typed.

In other words, it’s a very helpful feature, but it is not recognizing and linking usernames.

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Compare the source of your comment to the one you’re replying to. Those are two different things. I’d argue it’s a workaround of anything.

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What happens if you press tab or click on the suggested item at the point in your screenshot?

For me, it inserts the link at the cursor position, but doesn’t replace the bit you’ve already typed, resulting in @gedal[@gedaliyah@lemmy.world](URL).

Anyone else have this issue?

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Dunno … I went to the linked page in the top post and everything seemed fine to me (using Lemmy-UI)

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It doesn’t display headings, I know that much.

#Heading

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I’m not sure #heading is valid markdown (see, eg, Daring Fireball’s “original” syntax page) … and I’ve never seen it. I’ve always understood that the space was necessary, which I think makes sense for a number of reasons TBH

So …

#This does not work

This does work

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I know that it works on some sites (reddit for example). Generally, it is not preferred.

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In doing this I learned that there are “correct” but also “preferred” ways to use markdown. A heading should have a space after the # even though it is correct either way.

##Heading

Heading

These lines may be the same or different in different apps.

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The thing of it is, if you just highlight some text and hit the heading button in the GUI, it doesn’t include the space.

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Heading

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Bravo Voyager! 🔥

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Voyager gang!

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Same here

Where are all my fellow voyagers at?

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Checking in

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Checking in

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I usually use desktop, but when it’s not available I use Voyager.

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Checkin innnn

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74656

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wefwef 🫡

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