Crosspost from !atheism@feddit.de.
An overview of studies which investigate correlations between morality and religious vs. secular / atheist ideologies presented by Phil Zuckerman who is a professor of sociology and secular studies at the Claremont colleges in California, USA.
Summary: Atheists / secular people not only have morals but are even more moral than religious people.
Note: Of course moral is a matter of perspective. In this context we agree that compassion and empathy are our foundations of moral.
“We agree that compassion and empathy are our foundations of moral”
So something that is widely rejected as irrelevant in moral philosophy.
By changing the definitions you can falsely equivocate anything, what an intelligent person…
Since when is this rejected as irrelevant? Many moral frameworks have their roots in such emotions instead of dogmatic ideologies.
I established that to avoid discussions like “ye, but which moral?”, to make the setting clear.
“to make the setting clear”
Which was that people are considered moral because they engage in behavior that is not intrinsically moral. You realised that directly claiming that atheists are more morally good requires them to engage in morally good behavior, but for some reason (probably because you are a individualistic moral relativist who wouldn’t want to be caught arguing for following moral principles) you wanted to avoid claiming that and so searched for the closest thing that you thought would suffice.
engage in behavior that is not intrinsically moral
Depends on your definition of “intrinsic moral”. But assuming that we are speaking about the lack of a universal ethical framework, then yes of course. More on that further down.
You realised that directly claiming that atheists are more morally good requires them to engage in morally good behavior, but for some reason […] you wanted to avoid claiming that and so searched for the closest thing that you thought would suffice.
How about you ask me about things you might be wondering about instead of just assuming them?
To say it again in different words:
There is not “the” moral. There is a tremendous amount of moral concepts people live by. In order to evaluate moral behaviour in a statistical, scientifc, manner, you need to define the criteria to judge by.
From what I understood, those studies cited in the video use those moral concepts which are rooted in emotions like empathy, which is the basis of the moral a large amount of people live by and even constitutes legislation in a lot of nations worldwide. Which seems like a meaningful choice to me.
Those results become worthless if you live by an entirely different moral. For example, someone could come by and find racism, hating women and killing people cool and morally justified due to their ethical framework. To them atheists would be the most immoral people alive and the results of those studies would have an inverted meaning to them.
And to avoid these kinds of fundamental relative ethical discussions, I made clear which moral concept is used as a basis for the analysis.
probably because you are a individualistic moral relativist who wouldn’t want to be caught arguing for following moral principles
No.
Nope.