I was hoping for something more suggestive of the story, but I’m actually very interested in anything that explores growing up in the Mirror Universe.
This is either going to be amazing and bring in a bunch of new fans orrrr it could be Star Trek Renegades II
Also is that the guy from VEEP?
I fundamentally disagree with how Section 31 has been handled by most writers post-DS9. It should be a conspiracy of like-minded individuals that exists parasitically within Starfleet, not an official (or an “unofficial official” agency). Starfleet already has an intelligence agency, which everyone seemingly forgets about. Section 31 is not an operation being run by them. Section 31 should be treated less like “Starfleet’s CIA”, and more like Bohemian Grove as it exists in the mind of Alex Jones. The only post-DS9 Section 31 stuff that really clicked was, surprising, the ENT subplot of Malcolm being a Section 31 asset, because it understood that it was the kind of conspiracy that embedded itself deep within Starfleet personnel and didn’t flash its ass at the universe.
This trailer does not give me confidence that the treatment of Section 31 as CIA action heroes is turning around.
It should be a conspiracy of like-minded individuals that exists parasitically within Starfleet, not an official (or an unofficial official agency).
In fairness, Sloan said they were a branch of Starfleet Intelligence with an official designation in his very first appearance on DS9, and nothing that came after that really contradicted him (other than his obvious lies in “Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges”).
Whatever liberties have been taken since then, that wasn’t one of them.
I always took that explanation as the thinnest of lie meant to give an air of legitimacy. Given the methods used to control Bashir, they seemed to clearly be working not just to hide their operational details, but their existence from the legitimate chain of command.
I always took that explanation as the thinnest of lie meant to give an air of legitimacy.
I think a lot of people did, but the episode doesn’t really make the case that it’s a lie - in fact, Sloan is protected at the highest levels of Starfleet Command, which supports the idea that Sloan was being completely truthful when he was trying to recruit Bashir. It’s a legitimate reading of the episode, at any rate.
It should be a conspiracy of like-minded individuals that exists parasitically within Starfleet, not an official (or an “unofficial official” agency).
I agree. When 31 was first introduced, and Sloan explained that Section 31 was sanctioned by Starfleet under Article 14, Section 31 of the Starfleet Charter, the implication was that they were people who misinterpreted or construed a (probably minor) part of the Starfleet Charter and used it to justify damn near anything.
Personally, I hate how Section 31 has been changed to be misunderstood, cool good guy/anti-hero types who are doing the wrong things for the right reason. DS9 had it right with portraying them as the villains within who should be snuffed out because the ends don’t justify the means.
The only current show that hasn’t portrayed them as villains is arguably Lower Decks…
Yes-ish. The characters were villains, but the organization wasn’t necessarily. For instance, in Discovery season 2, Leland and his crew were the villains, but Section 31 was portrayed less as an extremist cabal and more as a misguided morally-grey organization. Less a blight upon the Federation and more an uncomfortable, but integral, part of it.
@setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world captures it well. Instead of being a cabal of extremists doing illegal and immoral things because they think they’re connected to a higher purpose, they’re a semi-official CIA-like organization.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that Section 31 isn’t supposed to be a cool or semi-legitimate organization (with ships, insignia, etc.) but rather shadowy and absolutely beyond the pale of legitimacy where very few can stomach what they do. From an artistic/thematic POV, Section 31 should be there to show us that a good society requires work to maintain and that its undoing can come from within by those claiming to protect it by eschewing that society’s values. In other words, the ends don’t justify the means.
This, it seems like they forgot the original intention as shown in DS9, it’s not an official organization nor anything approaching it, it’s basically just a long standing group carving hiding in Starfleet justifying doing what they want by pointing to a paragraph in the Constitution… Sovereign Citizens with phasers and photon torpedoes anyone?
I get the impression that this will take place almost entirely in the mirror universe.
I’m guessing section 31 does something to block or hold back the mirror universe people from going into the prime universe or something like that.
They should send that memo to the federation in Star Trek Online cause…holy shit.
So Star Trek Online is an MMORPG and has been around for a several years now. In the game there’s a story, a convoluted one, but a story none the less.
Now imagine every single thing that has ever happened in the entirety of Star Trek regardless of tv show, movie, timeline, multiverse, animated show, whatever. everything. think of everything that has ever had “Star Trek” in it’s title. got it? good. it’s in the game. and in the story.
One aspect is the mirror universe which is a decent chunk of the story and it’s a good excuse to bring back old Star Trek actors whose characters might be dead. Like there’s A LOT of mirror universe stuff in the game.
really at the end of the day Star Trek Online is essentially the multiverse nexus of all Star Trek.
The Marvelization of Star Trek is complete, or just beginning
Say what you will, but I can see the appeal of showing the dirty, shady side of the trek universe. We always see a Starfleet crew of perfectly moral Starfleet officers who go around moralizing through the galaxy and claiming that human society has moved past capitalism and selfishness. I call bullshit on that. Sure you can tell me that earth and the federation planters are now a Utopia and Starfleet is clean and perfect. But I wanna know about the poor humans in society who are still getting fucked and the criminals and underworld that Starfleet ignores.
Anyways, you can’t tell me that there aren’t gangsters and this kinda stuff in the trek universe.
As long as strange new worlds keeps its star trek tone, I don’t see why another show can’t have a different tone and feel.
