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I can see the allure for places wanting to keep certain trouble-makers out as a precaution, but this gets so close to a privatized social credit score that it’s beyond uncomfortable.

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I feel like you should not be allowed to record any data until there’s a documented case with a police report at minimum. At that point, potentially restricting action becomes a legitimate security need.

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Idk about that level of escalation being necessary, maybe just repeat offenses. Where I went to college it’s got to be super serious for police to come into a bar.

Repeat fights, or pukes on the floor, or belligerence to staff are all things I would think would be decent grounds to be turned away by ID. I mean, that happens now at gas stations and restaurants with security cam photos saying “don’t serve this person” posted at the register except it’s more public.

I suppose it depends what data is recorded though, they don’t need your home address.

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You can already handle people being repeated nuisances at a specific location without issue.

Sharing any information at all absolutely should require a police report (and I’m aware that they already violate privacy other ways; that’s also not OK).

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yeah, promising security/convenience over liberty is how they reel us in every time

that and protecting the kids

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Fuck no you can’t take my picture to share with 2000 other establishments to see if I’ve been a bad boy. That’s an easy way to ensure I just don’t hang out in your bar.

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fully agree, I barely go to bars in the first place, I’m the quiet guy that orders and just hangs out and have a good time, but like I would never enter an establishment where a copy of my ID is required to enter, and that’s ignoring the fact that it’s doing photography at the same time. Would be an instant next bar please.

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This is why we need data protection laws here. We need to be able to control what these companies keep about us.

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Yeah like I don’t have a problem with a shared database for bars to keep out bad actors. That sounds like a collaborative IRC banlist. But why does it have to involve keeping pictures of me and which bar I go to which night and all this other stuff

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This is just like that China social credit system

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No, no, no, that’s the evil government credit system. (Communism)

This is a private, patriotic, free-market surveillance apparatus. (Liberty & Freedom 🇺🇲)

We love [corporate] big brother.

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Dude don’t be alarmist.

It will be months until it turns into that. Maybe even a year or two.

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Well… If you want to fight this, don’t go to these places. Deny them profit.

Otherwise it will go mainstream.

Similar thing with extra fees at restaurants. In my area most dropped them after consumer bakc lash.

Going to a bar is 100% luxury, you will 100% fine to avoid it.

Dont feed this corpo behaviour. Fuck em.

Find that local hood dive with a bartender who knows how to manage a shop. Support them, they are dying.

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