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That’s just the free market working as intended. Collateral damage.

Maybe people should do research on the available milk brands before giving it to their children if they didn’t want them to drink bleach.

Edit: I tried to resist adding the “/s,” but we live in crazy (stupid) times, so…

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With no regulation there will be no other milk brands.

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Maybe people should do research on the available milk brands before giving it to their children if they didn’t want them to drink bleach.

Without regulation, the company could also just lie. Nothing would dictate that they would have to tell the truth about their product.

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Well that’s why you need to do your own research. As in looking at products under microscopes, doing physics equations, etc.

If you’re not an expert on every product you purchase (and the science behind them), well then that’s on you and your kid deserves getting lead poisoning from his band-aids.

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Excellent idea! I’m sure that information will be readily available from independent trustworthy sources that are not the government! Failing that, I always have my trusty mass spectrometer in my kitchen and I run all my foods through it just in case!

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just to point out the other side of this…

(and I already know I’ma be downvoted for just saying that)

Some regulations are bad. Many are good and we actually need them, but some are bad. For example, when there’s a few large companies in an industry, they often lobby for regulations designed to increase the cost of doing business. While the big fish can pay the costs of these extra regulations, smaller companies cant, and just cant compete with the big fish, lowering the amount of competition in the industry and promoting more monopolistic behavior. We saw Openai try to do exactly this back when they went to Congress to warn the senators about the dangers of ‘agi’ and how it quickly needed to be regulated. Well they failed, and now there’s tons of companies with their own products that rival Chatgpt in every way other than the brand recognition.

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Reminds me of car startups (in the US) taking off one wheel, turning them into moto/autocycles, so they wouldn’t have to go through expensive car certification processes

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you don’t solve this by having less regulations lmao

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its solved by getting money out of politics, along with removing regulations that don’t make sense and keeping the ones that do

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sure but regulatory capture and a controlled market are not really a counter argument to regulation so much as an argument for more regulation

strict rules enforcing disclosure and other sunshine laws are key to exposing corruption like you are suggesting

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Folks here think regulation, and immediately put it to food and Ai or other white collar applications.

Working in plastic manufacturing for ten years, and chemical manufacturing for a few more, the term deregulatuon terrifies me. Regulations keep employees safe, and aims to keep the products we make safe.

I think of environmental impacts first and foremost, which is the kind of deregulation I assumed was meant with this regimes obsession with bringing back coal, oil, and mining/deforestation if our national parks.

Getting money out of politics is implemented with regulation. We only have one environment, and they want to deregulate environmental safety/preservation.

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Wait, so you’re telling me that this politician who will definitely get a CEO position in that company does not want to make life better for me?

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There’s also regulations that actually hurt the things they are intended to protect. It’s generally called perverse incentives. The example here is related to endangered species. It’s in the interest of those that find an endangered species on their property to “shovel and shut up” as the presence only creates problems for the owner.

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The tweet itself limits its scope to food safety regulations specifically. The title of this lemmy post was condensed for brevity, which might create the impression that it’s trying to make a larger point about regulations in toto. But I figured I could get away with it because I figured that surely people would read the tweet before commenting.

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People? Read? Never.

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Surely you could’ve come up with a better example.

Chalk is just calcium carbonate. Modern medicine uses calcium carbonate to as a calcium supplement.

We are still adding things to milk. Any milk that’s “calcium fortified” or “extra calcium”, and a lot of nut-milks, have calcium carbonate as an ingredient to this day.

I mean, I get your point…honestly, I do…but it’s coming across nearly as the same sort of anti-science drivel you’d expect from the counterargument.

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Industrial chalk that was used as adulterants wasn’t nearly as pure as the calcium carbonate you are imagining

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It’s not the chalk that’s the problem.

It’s using it to disguise the fact that the milk you’re selling is spoiled.

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In big cities like New York, some dairies fed cows leftover grain mush from distilleries, called swill. The cows were sick, the milk was watery and bluish, and to make it look normal, some sellers added stuff like chalk, flour, even plaster. It wasn’t about hiding spoiled milk like you suggest - it was about making terrible milk from unhealthy cows seem drinkable.

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Bro. Jesus fucking christ.

It wasn’t about hiding spoiled milk like you suggest - it was about making terrible milk from unhealthy cows seem drinkable.

That’s literally the same thing. Did you just learn what a thesaurus is?

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Yeah. I get that…but the way it was phrased by OOP it was as of “chalk” was used by an example as if that makes it somehow worse. We still put “chalk” in milk, though.

Better example is like those people who say “eww” to hotdogs because there’s a regulation limiting how many bug parts are allowed in them…not even considering the alternative of “no limit on how many bug parts”.

Or my wife, who refuses to eat a cherry tomato if it fell on the ground.

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In your examples you know those things are being added to the milk because it’s in the ingredients, the case OP mentioned you didn’t know. Are you able to see the difference?

And there were many other things added to food besides chalk

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Exactly. There are better examples. Chalk is a bad one because it is, technically, edible, and still being used as an additive to this day.

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Chalk in OP’s example was being added without people’s knowledge, it doesn’t matter how inoffensive it is. How hard is it to grasp?

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And pure unadulterated something-else-ism would not, lol. The concept of responsibility that hard to grasp?

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The concept of responsibility that hard to grasp?

For companies that seems to be case yeah

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Republicans: But we are the ones selling the spoiled milk.

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