five days or less and the administration will be claiming this entire family were gang members; we’ll be looking at photoshopped tattoos in no time.
Who gave them an incorrect warrant? What was it for? What’s the point of listing names on a warrant if you ignore them? Why is every department claiming they weren’t involved? Why were they collecting evidence from people not involved or listed on the warrant?
What exactly are any of us supposed to do if this happens?
- there probably wasn’t a warrant
- there probably wasn’t a warrant
- there probably wasn’t a warrant
- there probably wasn’t a warrant
- spite is the point, and there probably wasn’t a warrant
- they have taken away every avenue of peaceful resistance. Their goal is for us to arm up and resist with violence so that they can declare martial law. Even though this is their plan and what they want, eventually we will have no other option. I won’t put my thoughts on the specifics of that here
From a German point of view, ICE came out of nowhere.
After checking, i figured that they exist for quite a while, but they never had the “authority” and “power” they like to show off nowadays. These were things Trump gave them.
They seem pretty much unhinged.
Are they even trained for the things they are doing or is it more comparable to trump giving a mediocre security agency and it’s mostly scummy staff the power to do what they want?
ICE training is famously brief. They are not trained in laws or legal structures. They are effectively federal local cops, if that makes sense (it probably doesn’t since you’re German, so let me try to explain it a different way)
In the United States many police departments prefer police officers without college education or strong critical thinking skills. ICE is one of them. ICE officer agents are selected for their tendency towards violence and a willingness to execute orders without fail or question. The goal is for them to simply not be able to incriminate themselves in a court of law by way of they simply didn’t know the law. The further goal is that when the right circumstances arrive they’ll just follow orders with a near mad sense of duty without any form of ethics getting in the way of stopping them.
To really drive home for you who ICE is, as a German. ICE is a bunch of Adolf Eichmanns all running around with big high capacity guns and zip ties
The goal is for them to simply not be able to incriminate themselves in a court of law by way of they simply didn’t know the law.
Ignorance of the law is not a defense unless you are enforcing the law.
Moreover every time they do these hiring pushes they end up with handfuls of cartel members that just open gates to their friends, help with murder so on and so forth. They made it so much easier to get in now that they lowered hiring standards and reduced background checks.
I am a millennial, and I am older than ICE, and credit scores - for what that’s worth. edit: not all credit scores, just the way we understand them now, thank you for the correction!
Credit scores have been around since the '50s. Maybe you’re thinking of what is specifically the FICO score.
yea, I think you must be right. thank you for the correction. I’m not that old quite yet, just feeling that way.
credit scores have been around a long time. it just used to be secret bullshit, not something you can literally track in realtime yourself like today. (it’s still mostly secret bullshit, they just let you see a ‘score’ now).
A relatively unbiased answer to your questions:
FACTS
ICE does not distinguish much between applicants who have completed high school and applicants with college education. Like the US military, most applicants do not have college degrees.
The lengthy application process and rigorous training historically rejects over 70% of prospective agents.
Training is at an academy with mandatory residence requirements. It’s 40 hours a week for 18 weeks and includes physical fitness, Spanish language, defensive maneuvers, de-escalation techniques, extensive federal law, weapon skills, and cultural training. There are several exams, and many new hires don’t complete training. Everyone has to be pepper-sprayed in order to understand how serious it is, and it is emphasized that use of force is always a last resort.
After graduation, new ICE agents serve a one year probationary period while being paired with a seasoned agent, for a more effective means of training.
OPINION
There is a hierarchy within federal law enforcement agencies; generally speaking, ICE agents are the least respected. The recent behavior of ICE agents is absolutely a reflection of the Trump administration.
https://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/offices/ero/pdf/ice_d_handbook.pdf
Thanks for the PDF.
I guess, things like cultural training and de-escalation techniques will soon be replaced with cult training and escalation techniques, respectively.
When i was 10 and home alone, i found pepper spray in my moms bag. I understood right there how serious it is. I did what any 10 year old kid would do, but luckily didn’t spray it straight in my face. I sprayed it around like an air refresher and the moment i got some sprinkles on my face, in my eyes, i knew i fucked up.
I am armed. The first ICE agent to knock on my door doesn’t go home. And we roll from there. Fuck this.
I’m armed too, but I think you would probably end the day in a bag, maybe a metal locker with a long pull-out shelf.
A lot of people commenting clearly did not read the article.
- The US Marshalls are the only agency that stated that they were not involved (but were aware). The others just don’t have answers for the obvious questions.
- There was a warrant, with names of people that were likely previous residents.
- The family had just moved in two weeks ago. The warrant, etc was likely using outdated information.
There are a lot of problems with this operation, but let’s keep it within the facts.
