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53 points

Singh just stepped down and hopefully the change will mean more potential for the NDP in the next election.

I’m Indigenous Canadian and I fully wish that we could have a country and a political environment where we could support and stand by a visible minority to represent a major political party. But I have to temper that with the knowledge that our country is not fully ready for that kind of person. As much as we would like to believe that we could become a more progressive, open and accepting culture, we are still not there and it will be a few more decades or lifetimes before that can become a reality.

It would be more possible if we actually had an election system that was more representative of our people’s wishes … Proportional Representation would make it more possible to have major political leaders and politicians who represented visible minorities.

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18 points

Wab Kinew seems to be doing well. But I don’t know if MB would give him up.

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5 points

Yeah, he’s doing great!

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2 points

I like and respect him as a politician, but is he NDP-leaning? He strikes me as more centre.

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3 points

He’s literally the NDP premiere of Manitoba…

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-10 points

That smile of his creeps me out.

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11 points

No way. His smile is contagious. It just seems odd because its so rare to see a politician with a genuine smile and not a carefully crafted one.

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3 points

seek help

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11 points

I would honestly love to see Wab Kinew take a run at the federal leadership.

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2 points

Regardless of how he may have turned his life around, I don’t think Canada is ready for a federal leader with a previous criminal record.

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Yeah, THAT’S the thing standing between them… [At this time Jerkface began rolling their eyes, and had not yet stopped by the time the comment needed to be submitted.]

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5 points

I always liked Singh as a person, but I feel like NDP needs some change. They are a party focused on throwing shade on other parties. They need their own identity.

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3 points

Implying that the NDP wasn’t elected due to their leader being a visible minority is either disingenuous or very misinformed. There are of course bigots in Canada, but most Canadians aren’t bigots.

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As a visible minority … I’m Indigenous Canadian … most of Canada is still bigoted. It’s not as bad as it was 50 years ago or even 20 years ago but it is still very bigoted and racist towards any visible minorities. The difference in our modern world is that the discrimination is more subtle, hidden and discrete … it’s an attitude that is literally baked in the system and fabric of society. I don’t get treated negatively or with racism in my life but from time to time, those attitudes do appear and I am always aware of them.

I’m in northern Ontario and as much as there are a lot of NDP lovers up here, the majority of them still hold Native people in contempt and with negative attitudes … we’re always seen as either incapable of helping ourselves and worthless, while also being seen as people living with free-for-all social welfare. People want to be us but also despise or ridicule actual full blooded Native people living on their lands. They simultaneously see us as powerless while at the same time having too much control or influence over resource development. We either have no money or not allowed to make money for ourselves. Government still has a very hard time balancing between managing our complaints and allowing us enough control to not disturb their corporate friends … which when you think about it has always been the role of government in Native affairs.

The cities might not show their bigots and intolerance so easily … but in the rural, northern and remote areas, it still very much the same as it was decades ago.

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4 points

I’m in Southern Ontario and I’m definitely not a minority.

I see the racist rhetoric regularly. People see me, a straight white male, and more than a few times, mistake me for a like-minded individual, and they let their racism spew out like bile.

Makes me sick.

It also makes me sick to think that Canadians could be so cruel to the indigenous peoples. I don’t think any amount of time, reparations, or anything else, could make up for what occurred.

We’re Canadians, if you’re not indigenous, then you’re either an immigrant, or the descendant of an immigrant. We’re all here, equal in the eyes of the law (not law enforcement/police, the letter of the law), and there’s no good excuse to act otherwise. United we stand, divided we fall. One country in particular, wants us to be divided. Don’t let them win.

Vive le Canada!

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Meh, I wouldn’t brush aside this so easily. You don’t have to be a full blown bigot to be affected by bias. Most people have unconscious bias that tilt their opinion one way or another. A white woman would face extra barriers… so you can safely bet a guy from the ethnicity that has some people literally saying that we have “allowed in too much of” will face a hasher hill to climb. Though I also agree that this isn’t the main reason the NDP didn’t go well, it’s probably a minor contributing factor.

How many times have I heard a phrase containing “these brown people” out loud in the last year? Not many. But not zero. And if I could also hear peoples subconscious thoughts, it would probably have been way more than we’d like to admit.

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23 points

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Could be a joint

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48 points

Interesting takes on CBC, but reality is that Polievre is shit. He lost this election because he is terrible, stupid, lazy and inept. He wasn’t ready for an election, he didn’t do his homework, he ran scared of the media, he is stupid (demonstrated by his understanding of electricity and bread). That he believed he could treat Canadians with such disdain and disrespect. He deserves the rest of his life as an insult stuck to the sole of my shoe.

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17 points

Generously, Trump put him in a bind. On the one hand around a third of his supporters would be down with being the 51st state, or are at least fans of what Trump is doing. If he came out too hard against Trump, he could have bled support to the PPC,

Ironically, electoral reform would save the Conservative Party. It would probably split back into a more PC style centre-right party and a more populist Reform style party. I think an old Joe Clark style PC leader could have done better, but with ⅓ of the modern CPC Qonvoy supporting Trumpians, I don’t know that they could elect one. If they did, it would be Erin O’Toole all over again.

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13 points

he ran scared of the media

He grew up at the knee of Harper. He’s only doing what he was taught.

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6 points

And now he needs to get his resume ready for the first time ever.

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4 points

Crap like him always have some cushy job lined up for them. Like Jason Kenney and Atco.

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2 points

Saw that asshole political commentating on CBC last night. Can’t we be rid of him. I thought Alberta put him in a hole.

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3 points

In the great words of Total Bastard Airlines, “Bu-Bye!”

And in the great words of a Canadian celebrity that I won’t name, who asked me over coffee looking for his first job, “What’s a resume”. As in let’s resume looking for a job.

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1 point

It was Buddy Cole.

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4 points

I mean, he’s very, very good at the firehose-of-soundbites style of campaigning. The dude has literally gotten elected for every year of his working life on it.

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3 points

His concession had a lot of poise and savvy. He’ll never win me over but I was impressed with his cooperative tone. But I know he hasn’t changed, and I know it is not in his nature to cooperate.

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45 points

Well, I did it. I feel dirty, but I voted liberal. Not that it matters here. First time ever voting liberal, but the cons platform is just so damn terrible. And my usual ndp vote for the past couple times doesn’t even have a hope.

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24 points
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It’s looking like people like you made the difference, based on the vibe of the early results. It’s close.

Edit: It’s pulling apart as things go on.

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21 points

A noble sacrifice.

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9 points

I held my nose and did it too. I am the leftiest lefty that ever lefted but the NDP was not really an option this time.

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6 points

I said I’d never vote Liberal again and stay NDP hard liner after vote reform was kaboshed. No matter anyone’s opinion on that, it was why I voted Justin once.

But here we are.

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3 points

I feel the same, haha

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59 points

After this is all done, we need to rebuild the left in this country. We need the NDP to be putting forth bold policy proposals to neutralize the far right populist appeal of the fucking conservative ghouls.

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25 points

We also need a better NDP leader. I like Jagmeet but he has not succeeded at this.

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15 points

Charlie Angus should have stayed and taken over NDP leadership.

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8 points

He was a candidate to head the party at one time, but they decided on Singh instead. Now he’s too tired to try again. But I do wonder about the parallel universe where things turned out the other way around.

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7 points

Charlie is Canada’s version of Bernie Sanders, ie: he’d never be allowed to lead the party.

Such is the way of politiks these days.

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We also need a better NDP leader. I like Jagmeet but he has not succeeded at this.

He’s in third place in his riding and it’s looking like he’ll lose his seat.

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4 points

Jusg saying, same goes for PP in his riding in Ontario. He can suck a lemon.

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21 points

And to engage peoples hard, negative feelings. The conservatives keep capturing the NDP’s natural base because they refuse to actually reflect their feelings and perceptions back to them. This whole “let’s get along, and cancel your bank fees” thing doesn’t resonate.

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24 points

We need European style left populism, like Mélenchon in France, or Corbyn in the UK. The mainstream media are going to call us hippie socialists no matter how “costed” and “responsible” our platform is. We need to be going for the jugular.

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5 points

Very much so.

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14 points

we need to rebuild the left

Well, memberships are cheap and it’s easy to get involved at the riding level where you can vote for the local leadership at the AGM, help make policy at conventions, vote for the leader,… Membership has its privileges.

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They need to replace Singh from the leadership … I have a lot of respect for him and I do appreciate him but you have to be realistic, the majority of the country is still very conservative Eurocentric minded population. The majority of the country do not identify with a politician with a turban. I have no problem with it but there are still many, many people out there that will never support someone like this. Singh also brings in the controversy and troubles of the Sikh / Indian controversies.

I hate to say it and hate to admit it but the only way that the NDP can grow is for the leadership to be replaced by someone who is white but at the very least someone who does not identify with a specific ethnic / religious group by wearing a piece of clothing to identify themselves.

I am a lifelong NDP supporter … I voted for them in my riding here in northern Ontario. But I do know from personal experience and from talking to people in my area that the greatest stumbling block for them voting NDP is that they just can’t identify with a leader who represents a very small ethnic minority in the country.

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18 points
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No, just no. Singh is as Canadian as the rest of us, period. And for any racialized Canadians reading this, that goes for you too as far as I and millions of other Canadians are concerned. We don’t need to court the votes of racists and we should never feel like we ought to appease them; they either get educated or they spend the rest of their lives voting for regressives. The leadership of our diverse country ought to be reflected in our leaders and the days of trying to middle ground with regressives ought to be put firmly behind us.

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11 points

I’m Indigenous Canadian and I’m a big brown long haired native guy … you can’t get any more obviously racialized a person as me.

I’m also a lifelong NDP supporter … I’ve been part of the party since I started actively voting just over 30 years ago and I even joined in election campaigns for the party in my region over the years.

And from those experiences … we can’t fool ourselves of what the dynamics of the country still are. You are right we should think the way you describe … that is what we should aspire to … but the reality is that that kind of mentality will only occur in decades or centuries, it won’t change any time soon or within our lifetime. I would love for it change sooner rather than later but that isn’t realistic.

One of the troubling things I noticed in the NDP was in union and worker supporters … as a group most workers and unions will support a party like the NDP … but as individuals they are more than likely to vote for conservative. They support socialist ideals as workers and conservative beliefs at home.

Which is why I honestly believe that at this point in history, we need a plain old older white male to lead the party … if Jack Layton had survived, we would have probably had him as Prime Minister at this point … it’s so sad that he left us before he had a chance to do anything.

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Singh wasn’t going to be able to overcome the polarization that Trump created. IN any normal election, he’s fine. But nobody wanted to chance a Polievre administration maple magaing our way through the next 3.7 years.

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The majority of the country do not identify with a politician with a turban.

The majority of the country identify with a very narrow profile, and it excludes many marginalized groups that we both know need no more exclusion. So I am super-conflicted with the reasoning being “he’s not like most Canadians” being a reason to replace him, but I see where it absolutely will/has affected his image with the more rural regions.

We had a period of turmoil during Justin’s last run that had Mr Singh appearing narrowly-focused on a particular segment of the population, and it was hard not to believe that it was to the detriment of the rest of the country. I worry he will appear to put one group before the rest, and we really need to believe all groups are on an equal footing before he can hope for support from the Rurals.

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8 points

That and we need electoral reform. The NDP bled hard into liberal support as people wanted to avoid electing conservatives. FPTP will never lead to an NDP government.

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3 points

I’m more centrist but I also want a strong left.

I want good working class Canadians to rally back to a strong NDP and unions and see their influence grow, and I want that to start pushing our policies back towards effective social policy.

It does need to be a balance, but I don’t see how for example small businesses not having to provide health insurance to compete is bad for businesses. It’s a burden off of them and good for employees.

Private healthcare mostly helps the big entrenched companies, and that’s bad for an economy.

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