182 points

A few things to point out:

  • Microsoft created this extension and pays money to develop it
  • Despite that, they give it to programmers for free. It is still free of charge.
  • They explicitly said that using it outside of their products is forbidden (according to article: at least 5 years ago), they just didn’t enforce it
  • Someone (here: Cursor developers), despite that, used it in their products and started to make money from it

What exactly are you mad at? When will programming community finally understand that Microsoft is not a non-profit company and its primary purpose is to make money?

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125 points

https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ Because pretending your editor is open source while moving all the important functionality to proprietary plugins is a bait and switch.

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Embrace.

Extend.

Extinguish. Extract rent now that everyone lives in / depends on your proprietary ecosystem.

I’d say they can’t keep getting away with it!, but history shows they clearly can.

Literally monopolist strategy 101.

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13 points

This was all people were talking about when they bought GitHub. We’ve past the “Extend” stage now.

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13 points

One that’s worked for Microsoft many times before (docx, for example). Its their favorite loophole.

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70 points

It’s also blocked in VSCodium whose developers are not making money off it.

So that’s not a nice thing.

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20 points

At least VSCodium cares about software licenses, (see it works both ways)

That Cursor (an AI focused) fork doesn’t shouldn’t be very shocking.

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42 points

The problem is that they’re killing competition. Treating a company with the market dominance of Microsoft like a normal company would be fatal for humanity. Because they are eliminating innovation by Cursor and they do not need to do this to finance their own innovation. Effectively, humanity gets less innovation by Microsoft doing this.

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21 points

But Microsoft developed it in the first place. It’s perfectly within their rights to pull it and developers making money off of their work isn’t bad either. I love a good pitchfork to corporate, but this is honestly fine.

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22 points

Well; companies used to get anti-trust laser canon’ed from orbit for less; but good luck with that in modern America

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14 points

The problem is that they’re killing competition.

So, they pay to develop a product, for themselves, explicitly says “it’s only for us, shoo shoo”, and when they decide that their product, that they pay for, and provide for free to their user, should not be used by other, it kills the competition that did not do anything except take the product for free despite being told not to?

I’m not on the side of Microsoft for most things. But if doing nothing but taking someone else’s free product qualifies to be competition that should be protected, we’re having problems.

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7 points

You’re looking at it in isolation, I’m looking at it in terms of this being Microsoft, a company which has held humanity back for most of its existence, now retracting something where they did a decent thing for once.

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11 points

Because a .vscode still pollute most open source projects. It"s annoying that they get people hooked on it that could use better tools instead.

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4 points

How dare people choose their own software? Don’t they know theyre supposed to let you choose it for them?

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1 point

You can choose whatever software you want. You can use WYSIWYG for all i care.

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3 points

Better tools such as…?

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2 points

nvim

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0 points

Neovim plus tmux.

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20 points

Plus you can always just use clangd. Its what I’ve always used with every text editor that has LSP support.

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10 points

Honestly moving to clangd has got to be the single best thing I’ve done in C++, it’s cross platform and I’ve found it to be significantly faster, more reliable, and more featureful than Microsoft’s C++ plugin by a long shot

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I havent used vscode in while but I do remember having a lot of issues with the Microsoft C++ plugin, especially in large projects. I switched to clangd very quickly.

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7 points

Clang is a better C++ compiler than msvc, it generates faster binaries and can compile complex code that msvc errs on at least in my experience YMMV.

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I wish there was a GCC equivalent; but even if clang is a corpowhore project it’s atleast OSS

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10 points

Don’t be upset it took people a long time to realize Visual Studio Code is fauxpen source, just be glad they’re finally realizing it. No need to be condescending and make people feel ashamed over it.

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3 points

I heard Theo talking about this and I think he guessed that they don’t want to maintain these against forks is the number of people raising issues that are not related to the extension and more due to the fork.

His video goes into a lot of good detail as to what’s likely going on.

What Theo also says is that remember that they don’t make any money off of VSCode at all.

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7 points

Another reason to hate LLMs on the list.

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35 points

sounds like M$'s real face : Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish

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2 points

I would say they are doing the same with Linux, but I’ll just wait for it to become obvious.

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0 points

they’re desperate to do it and have their buddies at IBM to help too.

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27 points
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A company that is known for doing shitty things does shitty things.

Color me fucking surprised.

Honestly, at this point, I have ZERO sympathy for people who are still actively using microsoft products and running into problems.

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9 points

Yeah, they have already done this with other extensions like Python, this is not new behavior.
Honestly the biggest reason to stay away from VS Code

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3 points

What are other free and good ide’s though?

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5 points

Closest? VScodium lol

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2 points

Kate, KDevelop, QtCreator are the ones I use.

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84 points

Oh, Microsoft is pulling the rug under your feet?

That’s fuckin’ news right there!

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77 points

Here we go!!! I was expecting the enshitification of this thing for past couple of years

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36 points

You are late. They have already did the same with C# extension, and made it closed source too.

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8 points

I’m not up-to-date: what did they do to the C# extension? I’ve been using it on a personal project and haven’t experienced anything egregiously terrible (yet)

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19 points

A lot of the C# ecosystem is open source (thank goodness), but the official debugger isn’t, hence it only being available in the proprietary version of VSCode.

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7 points

They did it with python about 2 years ago.

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11 points

It was explicitly said to not use this outside of VSCode, so, I’m not sure where the surprise comes from.

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