Never rely on any cloud service! A good cloud based password manager is end to end encrypted meaning the password manager provider cannot access your passwords and they are secured from the provider and any compromise of the provider. But you do not only need confidentiality but also reliability. The cloud is just someone else’s computer that you store your data on. They can cease their service or stop providing you access to it at any time. Always have a local backup of anything important saved in a cloud.

With Bitwarden for example you can export your vault as unencrypted json and csv format. Those are widely compatible and allow you to easily access and import your passwords.

Do not save your exported passwords unencrypted. I strongly recommend creating a dedicated VeraCrypt or LUKS container or similar and saving the export directly into that without saving it to disk unencrypted in the first place.

Note that shared organizations are not included in the standard vault export and need to be exported separately.

Edit: Someone mentioned that Bitwarden’s export feature does not export attachments. So export them manually if you need to.

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A good cloud based password manager is end to end encrypted

Presumably end-to-end encrypted. Do not trust any of them. There is no good cloud-based password manager.

My personal recommendations:

  1. KeePass (and its numerous alternative clients). The password database is one single file which would never have to leave your local network (or even: computer).
  2. Gopass (pass with modern addins). The password database is a folder of files which can optionally be version-controlled in a Git or Fossil repository. The default encryption is GnuPG, but it also supports age.
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but it also supports age

Honestly, i applaud age for being very simple to use and less likely to screw up as a result, but i wouldn’t rely on it for files as sensitive as a password database, its relatively new and hasn’t been audited.

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Yet. I hope it will. (The developer is a great dude though.)

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Presumably end-to-end encrypted. Do not trust any of them. There is no good cloud-based password manager.

Bitwarden is open source and audited: https://bitwarden.com/help/is-bitwarden-audited/

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You can’t prove that their server is running the exact same code. A self-hosted Bitwarden server might be reasonably secure, but as far as I can tell, Bitwarden('s server component) is not designed for single users.

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I don’t have to trust the server, if I trust the client in an e2ee model. Their server could only be a security issue, if the encryption wouldn’t be e2e. And then the whole application would suck.

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Good tip, I’ll get on it. I use Bitwarden’s cloud server for convenience, but if they were to shut down tomorrow, I’d be screwed

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Only somewhat screwed. The client still has a local offline cache. So you don’t immediately lose everything. The cache is read-only though and doesn’t contain attachments.

Also remember: the normal export function of bitwarden also “just” exports the database entries; not the file attachments.

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Bitwarden is probably a lot safer if you self host (which I do). You do inherently lose some security by having a server that holds your encrypted password database, but my instance isn’t exposed to the internet.

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are you using the official bitwarden server or vaultwarden? been thinking about selfhosting it myself, but i would need to expose it to the internet, and i’m not really sure if i’m up to the task of properly securing it

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To create aencrypted backup with attachments, you can use Portwarden: https://github.com/vwxyzjn/portwarden

Also a good way to migrate from bitwarden to vaultwarden or to switch vaultwarden instances.

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