Proton shouldn’t be recommended. CEO is a Trump supporter.
How good is Proton as a paid all-in-one solution for e-mail, calendar, and cloud storage?
@VolumetricShitCompressor What kills it for me is the lack of IMAP/POP/SMTP support. I realise this is at odds with the E2E encryption, but honestly I find that portability more valuable than E2E. E2E in email is kinda overrated unless both parties are using PGP or something I think, and even then it’s not necessary on a provider level.
I would also look into allegations of the creator supporting Trump before considering it again (saying this neutrally as I haven’t verified it myself yet).
Does this mean that I can’t integrate their mal addresses into existing mail/calendar apps? I already have to have an ms exchange account that I must not use via outlook app, ao I have already two calendar widgets since my private outlook address stopped working on gmail. State of tech in 2025 smh
@VolumetricShitCompressor When I was looking into it the other day, that’s what it seemed like to me. Goes for both them and tuta (the two most popular EU alternatives), and seems to be a direct consequence of their privacy focus.
I’ve been a paid subscriber since they were born.
They are very good, particularly the all-in-one. Lotta good stuff bundled into a subscription.
They are, however, drifting in the “TechBros” direction — or at least, their CEO is.
Still a great product today, and it may stay that way for decades. But, tentatively, I smell the waft of enshittification.
@VolumetricShitCompressor @Blaze honestly even just the android email client is somewhat slow, and doesn’t allow downloading emails to save them locally AFAIK. I respect the whole encryption thing, and I know we’re comparing to enshittified services, but there has to be something better out there.
Edit: see below maybe this will improve in the next couple of months.
Use it for years and have nothing to complain about. Well, if you have a custom domain with ä,ö, or ü then it gets translated into gibberish. Still works but doesn’t look pretty.
E-Mail app works as expected. I receive mails and can send them but I’m not a power user who expect any great features.
Calendar works as well. Share it with other proton user and also with an external person. The external can’t create events for us in the shared calendar but that wasn’t a problem so far, i just did it when we had an event.
Cloud storage is fine too. I don’t use the desktop client but I know there is one for Windows. The upload in the Browser works well and sharing files or folders with externals works with an easy link as you might know it from Google drive.
VPN is also as expected. Huge range of IP’s so you will always find one which isn’t banned by your streaming service or other website. Hadn’t any leaks yet while torrenting.
Hadn’t any contact with the support since setting it up but then it was fast and helpful as far as i remember. As Visonary account i got the priority support so I can’t say how representative that is for the regular support.
Technically speaking, it’s good. But 2 questions:
Do you need end-to-end encrypted emails and cloud storage?
If not, you may find cheaper alternatives (if cost is a thing for you). :)
What would be those alternatives? My main point would be to get away from microsoft with my mail and a somewhat sizable cloud storage (0,5-1 TB).
What about kSuite? Are they better?
Between Proton & kSuite, both are good, you just need to compare prices and features. :)
Both have beautiful and modern interfaces - you can create a free account on both to test.
Both companies offer very different services from each other included in their suite, e.g., Proton has a VPN and Password Manager, while Infomaniak offer video call, transfer of large files, office online etc.
It also depends on whether you read your emails in a mobile app, browser or email client and the importance you attach to E2E encryption.
@VolumetricShitCompressor @Blaze I heard good things. However I don’t like that their mail system is a walled garden due to their e2e encryption. You cannot use POP3 or IMAP with default clients like Thunderbird, at least not without running a bridge.
Is there a competitor that supports default clients and has a good cloud storage plan (0,5-1 TB)?
kSuite is Google Workspace alternative from Switzerland.
IDK Floorp, and I have limited experience w/Zen.
I have tested and used every other one on your list.
They are all pretty good, considering the current state of the Internet.
My daily drivers are Librewolf and Vivaldi.
Bruce Schneier says Vivaldi is secure enough for him.
Ecosia also have a desktop browser. It’s basically ungoogled chrome with a green default theme. You can also change the search engine to something else
Is there any browser with account and synchronization - but decentralized? Even just saving local files so I can sync a folder.
