• China’s finance ministry on Friday said it will impose a 34% tariff on all goods imported from the U.S. starting on April 10.
  • The ministry criticized Washington’s decision to impose 34% of additional reciprocal levies on China — bringing total U.S. tariffs against the country to 54% — as “inconsistent with international trade rules.”
  • U.S. stock futures and European markets fell sharply on news of the reciprocal tariffs.

https://archive.ph/ZmcZJ

218 points

With USA committing political and economic suicide, the road is now clear for China to become the world dominating power.
I just hope they will take a graceful approach to their role, when nobody is in a position to oppose them.

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Xi got China to #1 world superpower 24 years early!

Without a war.

Congratulations China.

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Props to Pooty-poot for the assist

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props to trump for the assist!

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18 points

Xi? You misspelled Trump. Congratulations to China anyway.

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Not a chance. China’s massive xenophobic approach to anyone non-Han Chinese will severely limit their potential.

Point out all the racism in various Western countries, and it pales in comparison to what goes on in China.

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11 points

Their potential is already proven. Xenophobe or not.

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5 points

More like their potential is already realised.

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Better to be a Black guy in China than a Black guy in the US.

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Lol there is absolutely no way that is the case

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1 point

There are plenty of economic and demographic problems to solve.

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China will fail, because the 1st World Asian countries view the CCP and PLA like the Europeans do toward Russia. China under the CCP is not beacon, but a dump.

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Good news, or bad news depending on how self reliant your government is. China is doing exactly what it promised it would do if they were the sole super power. Which is we will not militarily interfere with your nation no matter the situation.

So if your like Thailand, or Brazil, wonderful. You get to keep all your freedom and autonomy and China will happily trade with you.

If your Myanmar or Sudan, well good luck revolutionaries. There’s no America to stand in your way of overtaking your government. If your the governments of these nations…

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54 points

What if you’re Taiwan…

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Or Vietnam or Philippines or Malaysia

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This again? Taiwan isn’t a recognized country. So they would not be interfering with a nation. IF you disagree with that, petition your own country to recognize Taiwan. The funniest thing is I’m Taiwanese and frankly the Taiwanese don’t want independence at this point. That’s why the Taiwanese congress is majority status quo and about 50/50 on independence and actually returning to China. The reason president Lai won is because the split is so strong that a 40% vote for Lai got him the win. A few more from the people who wanted status quo voted for him instead of Hou at 34%. Yet if you saw what congress did immediately after, which is handcuff him from ever declaring independence, you’ll know the will of the Taiwanese.

So all that is to say, no China won’t be attacking Taiwan either. That’s just nonsense noise from the west, which frankly I as a Taiwanese person is absolutely sick of. The agreement is simple, Taiwan doesn’t declare independence and China will at most saber rattle.

*Edit: Oh and what’s not reported is that right after Congress did that, China started a charm offensive. Inviting the former head of the KMT to China and undoing travel restrictions for Taiwanese citizens. So yeah, the war is only in your head, not ours.

Edit 2:. Loving. The down votes for a Taiwanese person explaining to a westerner what our actual opinions are. Why don’t you all westsplain to me how I should feel.

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25 points

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Of course.

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The one thing I liked about Connect better than Voyager. The instance blocking on Connect worked. A whole lot didn’t, but that did.

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If they keep that promise, that’s mostly good news IMO. Interference doesn’t always go so well.
I think Afghanistan is a good example, we were there for 20 years, trying to establish democracy. And now they are right back where they were 20 years ago.
We can’t keep policing such countries indefinitely. This is a link of our (Denmark) losses, as a small country that helped the UN effort.
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danske_tab_i_Afghanistan_siden_2002

It’s horrible how they treat their own population, but we can’t control the entire Muslim world. And all Muslim dominated countries are horrible AFAIK. So I’m good with staying out, as long as they don’t create trouble here. Problem is that they do, sometimes for stupid religious reasons.

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Of course they will. They’re winning. China is patient if anything. That’s why even Rubio said they have a 10,000 year plan to take over America. Which is absurd since USA didn’t exist then, but that’s besides the point. What he’s right about is China will wait.

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To establish democracy? Are you joking?

That’s State Department propaganda that’s been completely debunked for a while. The aims of US foreign policy on Afghanistan were lucrative financial exploitation and destabilizing the region.

The U.S. occupation of Afghanistan was colonialism that prevented Afghan self-determination

Timeline: How September 11, 2001 led to US’s longest war

More sources

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What? I’m guessing Taiwan isn’t a real country. People in Hong Kong didn’t have right to self determination.

The bulletts in fired on the Indian border were fake news?

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I’m Taiwanese, I know much better what the Taiwanese want than you do. Go through these posts if you want to know my opinion, as well as you’ll see my passport.

As to the other stuff, bullets were not fired at India. They don’t even patrol with guns. Please read the news before making stuff up.

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75 points

Hopefully the political correction happens fast. The last two tariff wars created massive depressions. The Great depression saw a landslide democratic victory and it took Republicans 60 years to become relevant again. This could be good.

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66 points

60 years ago there was no fox news and social media. These morons will forget in 2 months let alone 2 or 4 years.

The American electorate dumber than a bag of rocks

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Talk to really old people sometime, we haven’t gotten dumber. Maybe more tolerant of dumbness.

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3 points

I never said we got dumber we’ve been solidly morons since forever

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2 points

Rocks are smarter than fucking MAGA. Those neo-Nazi Russian supporting asswipes have a vacuum between their ears.

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1 point

they had the southern strategy which were racists and bigots, it works.

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40 points

They could drop all tariffs tonight, but the inertia of new trade deals being made to circumvent the US is pretty strong. It will keep strengthening while the US rots on the vine because they’ve been geopolitically exiled for having revealed themselves to be governmentally retarded.

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Especially in everything related to security, like army, navy, space. If we can’t trust the USA when we need to use the weapons we bought, what’s the use buying them in the first place.

This is really shooting thyself in the foot, you can’t just walk back from that disaster.

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It’s well understood by business people (at least by competent ones) that if you do something that makes your customer leave, they dont come back.

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Can we please this time support the Communist and Socialist organizations that did armed protest in order to get those actual results? Can we please please learn from history and not allow the capitalist to continue to control the means of production? Because in another 100 years we’ll be in the exact same place with the ruling class trying to destroy the social safetynets that only served as temporary measures.

We need a real systemic change in who deciding how the economy is run and who’s interest it is meant to serve.

How long will we keep pretending a bunch of 20-30 year old white dudes in the 1700s had the best idea of how to run things?

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Most people recognize that communism as an actual government has been trash, but do strongly support the Nordic model with capitalism coupled with socialist-lite pro worker policies. Free trade and capitalism makes so much money that you can’t do without it, but it does suck for workers because all the money ends up with the owner class. A pro people socialist-lite Nordic model helps everyone but it needs the money from free trade to afford it.

I do understand the difference between communism as an ideal model that only comes after socialism but that’s not how it is used in the real world.

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Because the examples where the capitalist were not in control anymore were so good for the average worker?

Replacing a system that fails in one country but essentially nowhere else on the planet, despite being dominant, with a system that failed every single time is not exactly reasonable.

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Yeah. I guess we should go back to Monarchy by that logic. Seems to be a very strong system that was strong for centuries and centuries. I guess when the first revolutions against monarchs failed people should have just given up and not tried to improve upon existing systems.

Your argument is literally just in favor of keeping the existing hierarchy because it is the one that exists now. That’s literally all you’re saying.

Zzzzzzz. Get better arguments.

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I mean, you’d need a fair election to ever happen again for that.

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Is Orange Turd going to complain how unfair this is?

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This was his response. Very sane. Very calm. Not at all unhinged.

…/s

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6 points

The idea that China “panics” can only be sold to the most gullible.

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6 points

So is it all caps these days all the time?

Such old man yells at clouds vibes

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My experience with elderly relatives is that all caps is the only way they can read the screen.

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28 points

Yes

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Now that USA will spiral down to deep depression, it’s going to be much easier to get the people behind whatever plan comes next.

So, how about you build a new empire, invade neighboring countries, commit war crimes left and right, and start exterminating people who don’t fit your arbitrary criteria. Germany did that and everything worked out perfectly.

Oh, wait…

Well anyway. I’m out of ideas.

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But the deep depression wasn’t entered “willingly”. Better justification for righteous anger back then.

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People can be angry at Trump and that momentum could be utilized by the next candidate. Nah, sounds too elaborate.

You could just form an authoritarian dictator monarchy, and gun down anyone who disagrees. There are many countries that followed this path already.

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Australia never had an empire, maybe it’s time?

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there was the EMU and kangaroo dynasties,.

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Not only that but he’s going to act like it’s an amazing surprise that came out of nowhere.

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9 points

“So unfair. Nasty people.”

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If every country he puts tariffs on ends up implementing their own retaliatory tariffs, what would happen?

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Look at Cuba. Now look at the US. Now look at Cuba again.

Okay, now image Cuba but without the public health care, housing, jobs programs, and mass transit.

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I don’t wanna look away from Cuba 😭

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In your exampke Cuba is the rest of the world, not a small backwater embargoed country.

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No, The US takes Cuba’s place, just as in their example.

The US in the past pressured the world to embargo Cuba, now the US is forcing the hand of the rest of the world to work without it. Different causes, similar-lish effects.

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The rest of the world starts building a new world order and economic system, one that will be a lot less advantageous to the USA than the one they just trashed.

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I hope one of the first things to change is the ridiculous Intellectual Property laws the US forced on the rest of the world. Those laws benefit the US at the expense of everyone else.

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You see, when the US pisses on the rest of the world, the rest of the world gets wet - But when the rest of the world will piss on the US, the US will drown.

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Imagine everything currently produced on earth loses about a third of its efficiency/affordability and a large chunk of everything has shortages/unavailability for the next 30 years.

Now imagine with the loss of trade relationships diplomacy slowly returns to that of the dark ages and a new era of war begins.

Things we take for advantage are peace and prosperity.

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So a tariff is like punching the other guy but also punching yourself, only the US is doing that to a lot of people so all the other countries get hit a few times sure but the US is beating itself black and blue.

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As an example of that, Canada currently depends massively on trading with the US. US tariffs are devastating to Canada’s economy.

But, over the last week or so, the Canadian dollar has done extremely well against the US dollar because for all the damage the US is doing to Canada, it’s hurting itself so much more.

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And I hope Canada can manage to find stronger trade partners with everyone else, especially the EU

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Death to folks who can’t afford to have their basic needs met.

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3 points

I think they asked about the other countries, not US.

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Did they? Unless they edited their comment, it sounds very open to me.

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The United States descends to the level of economic relevance as South Africa and the rest of the world continues as usual.

Trade tariffs can work if they are used as a scalpel, If they are applied very precisely and explicitly they kind of achieve the desired effect. Trump is just wielding them around like a mallet and is repeatedly hitting himself in the groin while everyone stands at a safe distance away and watches with mild amusement.

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In addition, tariffs need to be seen as a rational thing that will be kept in place for a long period.

If Trump wants to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US, businesses need a minimum 5 year plan to buy or build factories, buy equipment, hire people, and so-on. That’s a huge investment and a big risk. If the tariffs are cancelled before the factory is finished and orders start coming in, the investors might be out the entire amount.

Trump’s tariffs are utter chaos. They’re applied then removed, the value changes randomly. He’s putting tariffs on US military bases and uninhabited islands. In that kind of environment potential investors are just going to convert their money into gold and wait out the chaos.

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They will. If they don’t retaliate, it gives trump the signal that he can do whatever they want. We will hopefully slowly see a shift in the world order.

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