Fun fact, posting a link to this article got me banned from the Germany subreddit:
I always forget what a cesspool of racism and authoritarianism reddit has become.
I know that there is definitely organized Zionist and organized Russian and other far-right chills on reddit, but it seems they have been quite effective in getting many people to follow them blindly.
The post was removed because it was a post saying “the gestapo is back” with no backing, and it doesn’t seem to related to privacy. And “germany is no longer in schengen”? Yes it is, i’m not sure what you’re talking about.
do you happen to have a photo of the incident? i would be curious
i have been ID checked before when travelling from italy to austria by train. As i’m 20-30 year old and was travelling alone, i suspect it was about curbing migration or sth. But they didn’t register it in a database.
Abnormal human being’s comment gives you a good idea why this is ban worthy. Pandering to conspiracy/extremist even if unintentional must be avoided to preserve the community.
The conspiracy is that they are only being deported for protest when they have been arrested for a number of crimes.
I don’t agree with the part about deportation without going through the courts first though.
So just to make something clear here, because this has been hotly debated in Germany, and people have been doing a disservice to both sides, IMO:
Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.
But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.
So, the former is usually brought up by people, when arguing this is not a case of just protest, numbers I’ve seen were something like 100k in damages and threatening people with axes used in the break-in. This is usually used to elicit a response of “Oh, okay, they deserve it then.”
Thing is: No matter what they did, they deserve proper legal procedure happening, put in front of a court, and to be considered innocent until proven guilty. The whole deportation rhetoric is being used to create a precedent to suspend the rule of law. It’s also clearly used in bad faith, also targeting people that haven’t had a home outside of Germany in many years, up to decades.
The whole issue of Palestine is very contentious in Germany, as the article points out, and a tool used to create division, not just in society as a whole, but also specifically to create division within the left. My point being: No matter, if you personally think that these people deserve some big punishment, and that the things done were not okay - if you end up supporting this specific way to get there, you are supporting suspension of law, encroaching a new standard of punishment without trial, and the growth of fascism. It really is a “first they came for” situation, don’t ever think that this is implemented by people that won’t ultimately also use it against you and your own interests down the line.
I can totally understand Germany feeling obligated to help relatives of a population they genocided. But helping them while they genocide other people should be a red line.
Yeah the German attitude of “we genocided these people in the past therefore it’s our obligation to help them genocide other people” is pretty odd.
C’mon Germany do better
Dude where the fuck am I supposed to even migrate to?
Austria? Maybe Switzerland? Maybe Ireland…
Ireland never genocided anyone.
Oh but wait, who was there before Celtic people arrived?
If you are against the existence of Israel, support Hamas or against a two state solution, don’t come to Germany or Austria. You wont be welcome here.
Btw. Most Germans support a Palestinian state and an end to the war, but also Israel’s right to existence.
Germany are not the moral bastions you are portraying them as. Calling human rights supporters terrorists while you cosy up to genocidal regimes is plainly dishonest.
Germany doesn’t allow hate speech like the US does. And Hamas arent human rights supporters.
I delete your comment since your account is 2 hours old and we had to deal with another sock puppet in this thread already. And we need no Goodwin’s Law here.
Likud and Otzma are against a two state solution. That doesn’t mean all Israelis are against though. And the international community can put pressure on Israel to enforce a two state solution. Most Germans support a two state solution.
Israel is against a two state solution.
Please edit your comment in such a way that it doesn’t seem like your opinion was that an country, a nation and a government all are the same. I will delete the comment within 20mins if you won’t do it, becaus this thread tends to be less fact-based than it should be.
I support the nuclear annihilation of Palestine (region) so we don’t even have a holy site to fight over. /j
And this is more about me not wanting to be deported back to my own nation
