Latest article I could find is this one: https://www.thejournal.ie/eu-plans-to-abolish-clock-changes-6024800-Mar2023/
I know the EU can be a bit slow, but the vote was held in 2019, seems like enough time elapsed since then.
This topic (and all previous discussions around this question) is the exact example why it hasn’t been changed and likely never will be changed: People cannot agree to either of the solutions.
A good solution for your place is a bad solution at some other place.
It’s just a popular topic for politicians to talk about - and then not doing anything about it.
How did people do before the oil crash and the reinstating of the daylight saving time?
Different countries could have different timezones, the US work with different timezones
Timezones solve an entirely different problem.
Timezones solve the east west problem, while daylight saving time solves the “sun rises later in winter”-problem. So more like a north south problem - because seasons.
If you want to suggest to create more “north south” timezones, you’d only make it more complicated than it is already. After all one of the more sane arguments is to remove complexity by removing DST. You’d bring complexity to a whole new level instead.
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The public poll was extremely skewed, mostly Germans voted.
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Biologists argue against permanent summer time, people are in favor of summer time. But most people haven’t looked into the issue enough. Do you like to get up early? Then summer time is indeed better for you. But for most people it’s not. But summer is nice and it’s really complicated to think about time and the sun and how one changes when we move the clocks, so most people think they prefer summer time. Public health and public opinion run opposite in this case.
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At the moment we have one time zone all the way from Spain to like Poland. Poland doesn’t want to give up summer time, Spain doesn’t want to give up standard time. (Or was it the other way around?). They are on the fringes of the time zone, geographically speaking and feel the negative effects the most. Obviously neither country wants to make the situation worse for its citizens, so no agreement has been reached.
Well, they could get the timezones, that actually fit to their geography.
I would add to this the compounding effect of northern places. If one were to keep summer time all year round, the sun would rise at 9.30 am in the winter.
On the other hand, if one keeps standard time all year round, it rises at around 2 am in the summer.
(I still hate daylight savings though.)
The medical/biology side is pretty clear, standard time is better than summer time if we keep our current workday schedule. Getting up in the dark is much more detrimental than going to bed a long time after sunset.
You can always make arguments based on the extreme summer/winter solstice daylight time. If you have four hours of daylight, the time zone doesn’t really matter, it will suck either way. I consider such arguments to be in bad faith.
I don’t understand what you consider as bad faith here. You presented and east-west perspective over a single time zone and I presented the northern situation as well (since the phenomenon in question - length of day vs time of day - gets amplified the higher north you go), and not sure where you saw any disagreement.
I find dismissing it as ‘four hours of daylight would suck either way’ to be in bad faith.
Now, had I wanted to nitpick your argument, I could have said that Spain should not be counted because they should probably be on the same time zone as the UK and Ireland by their actual geographic location, so the issue there would stem more from the fact that they chose the wrong time zone to begin with. The sun rose in Madrid today at 8.13. In Rome it was at 7.09. Same time zone.
Notice the subtle difference?
(I’m an American so I’m not immediately in the discussion about whether Europe does DST or not but I do have opinions on DST itself)
I prefer Summer time, but I honestly don’t care which one “we” stick to as long as we quit fucking with the goddamn clocks. I don’t care if we split the difference, set the clocks to a half-hour between, and leave them there.
I HATE the logic of actually moving the clocks back and forth.
I think the USA already tried the permanent summer time thing. They stopped after two years, because it was bad.
If you actually would like to get up earlier for work or school, then yes, summer time is indeed better for you. You are also part of a small minority that sees it that way. Most would like to get up and show up to work later instead.
Arizona and Hawaii don’t switch their clocks to this day, I don’t know if they’re aligned with “DST” or “Standard” time which I can never keep track of which is which so I call them “summer” and “winter” time.
Old people were against it and they seem to be the only ones with a voice that is actually heard.
I’ve been waiting for years for this to finally be approved. I can’t stand Daylight Saving Time, only serves to make me tired for the next month while I adjust, twice per year. It’s a relic from the past and many countries are moving towards removing it or have removed it already altogether.
More info:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-000550_EN.html
I can’t stand winter time, would love DST all year long. Its so depressing to have the sun set before I finish work and come home when its pitch black…
Ask your employer if you can move hours -1 or +1, if that’s possible in your case. I know some people that were able to improve their efficiency through that, it’s a win-win situation
It’s worth a try for sure. But for many people it’s not possible because they work in a team and/or are reliant on a common schedule with externals. So either everyone starts an hour later or noone does which is really hard to coordinate.
Indeed it does. To clarify it takes a couple of days or a week max, but I can feel an effect linger on for almost a month. I guess I’m getting old.
You’re not alone in taking a while to adjust. Circadian rhythms are kind of important to proper functioning. One study found that heart attacks increased coinciding with switches to and from DST. Of course this is only one study. Would need quite a few more before I could draw conclusions.
https://www.franciscanhealth.org/community/blog/daylight-saving-time-heart
