A few years ago we were able to upgrade everything (OS and Apps) using a single command. I remember this was something we boasted about when talking to Windows and Mac fans. It was such an amazing feature. Something that users of proprietary systems hadn’t even heard about. We had this on desktops before things like Apple’s App Store and Play Store were a thing.
We can no longer do that thanks to Flatpaks and Snaps as well as AppImages.
Recently i upgraded my Fedora system. I few days later i found out i was runnig some older apps since they were Flatpaks (i had completely forgotten how I installed bitwarden for instance.)
Do you miss the old system too?
Is it possible to bring back that experience? A unified, reliable CLI solution to make sure EVERYTHING is up to date?
🎶That’s why i don’t like and use flatpaks, snaps and appimages 🎶
I still run everything I can as .rpm through dnf on my Fedora and .deb through apt on my Debian servers.
I only install a flatpak as last resort.
From a dev viewpoint I can understand the gains of flatpak but from a user viewpoint I prefer a “real” install.
Yes we did. I miss the old system.
Also I don’t like my laptop rebooting in my backpack to install updates, after I’ve tried to shut it down.
We never lost any “ild system” and the rebooting is probably how your distro implements updates, I use Fedora so mine often wants a reboot but that’s definitely not the norm on Linux as far as I know and I never had a device turn back on on it’s own…
I think I first saw that on Fedora, years and years ago. I’m currently running Debian (testing) on my laptop. There was definitely some change at some point.
Well. It’s more, I click shutdown and because Linux has been 500% reliable for me, immediately shut the lid and throw the thing into my backpack. And instead of a shutdown, it tries to reboot, apply the updates and then do the shut down. But that fails because I use full disk encryption and it just sits at the password prompt until I pull it out again. Just heating my backpack from the inside and depleating the battery. So technically it doesn’t turn on on its own. It just doesn’t turn off as expected.
Damn, that sounds like a really annoying issue, good luck finding a solution!
If you use a graphical tool like gnome software, it will update everything with one click on a button
I would really love gnome software to add update on background feature and set update interval (update only once a month, hold update indefinitely etc.)
But fedora software center behavior is the most intuitive and easy compare to other popular desktop OS/distros: Mac, Windows, or Ubuntu.
I love and use Fedora but I still think Mints update manager is the best GUI implementation I ever used for updating, it has all the essentials, is easy to use and looks nice.
I have never used mint, so I dont know.
One of the thing that drived me from Ubuntu to Fedora is that Ubuntu has 3 different UI for system, apt, and snap/flatpak update. It feels really segmented.
I personally prefer Gnome experience more than any other DE (including windows and macOS). But mint only include Gnome version on Ubuntu LTS, so it is a bit dated. But no doubt that mint is extremely user friendly.
A few years ago we were able to upgrade everything (OS and Apps) using a single command. I remember this was something we boasted about when talking to Windows and Mac fans. It was such an amazing feature. Something that users of proprietary systems hadn’t even heard about. We had this on desktops before things like Apple’s App Store and Play Store were a thing.
If this actually were Linux’s killer feature, then Linux would have had a much higher market share by now.
Make no mistake, this is my favourite feature of Linux as well, and I have never used a snap/flatpack/appimage in my entire life. But it doesn’t have the kind of broader public appeal that you seem to be suggesting.
