I’m looking over my options in fleeing for safety as things get worse down here. I am considering joining friends in Oregon but that might not safe enough. I’m gay, atheist, have a college degree (not in anything useful, however), and am everything the nazi’s down here hate.
I need to get out.
I know you guys are justifiably pissed at us Americans right now, but if I were to try and move to Canada (and I have no idea how I could possibly do such a thing in time) would I be welcomed there? Would I be safe? Or would I be seen as an aggressor or threat of some sort?
I need to get out of here but if it means going somewhere everyone will hate me I might not be any better off.
I don’t think Canadians are generally hostile to Americans unless they prove themselves to be asshole Americans. Lots of Canadians have American friends and would regularly travel over the border until a couple of months ago. And I think most Canadians can see what’s going on in the USA and understand that some people may need to flee.
However, immigration to Canada isn’t automatically allowed so it’s worth doing a bit of research and planning. Here are some government web pages that may help:
https://ircc.canada.ca/explore-programs/index.asp
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada.html
I think I might fall into the refugee category. I feel ridiculous saying that as there are others who are far worse off than I am though.
Americans are not going to be able to claim refugee status in Canada, at least not until things get a lot worse there. And, if it does happen, it’s not going to be people who can “pass” as a non-threatened group.
That’s the problem. We can all see whats coming, but it’s happening so fast that it will be too late. If I put in for asylum, I’ll be dead in the oven before anyone can even process the paperwork. If I just cross the border and try to wait things out there, I’ll have no way to feed or house myself, I’ll have no access to medications. And if things go really bad and this spreads to canada, they may just send be back to the US and I’ll end up in an oven anyway.
You’ll need money to flee, at least $10k on hand, likely more, to start the process for Canadian citizenship.
It will be easier to get to a blue state than it will across the border. Right now, all you need is transportation and considerably less seed money. It’s likely smarter to relocate to a blue state while you work out your international travel.
Since you’re in Ohio, the closest metro that will likely protect you is Chicago. That’s a good place to start if you’re looking to go further north.
If you can make it to the west coast, Oregon is likely the cheapest place to start, but be aware that eastern Oregon has its fair share of maga. Do not travel through or visit Idaho on your way (especially if you’re a person of color), and avoid Utah if at all possible. CO to NM to AZ is pretty safe if you’re looking to take the southern route to CA. You’ll probably be ok getting through Indiana as long as you keep to the freeway and don’t stop.
I drive a chevy bolt EV. While it has fast charge capability, it’s still a cheap EV and that fast charge still takes about an hour. Going through hostile territory isnt likely safe in my little hippymobile since I will be vulnerable at charging stations. I’ll probably have to rent a uhaul and tow it, making this trip more expensive.
Hmm… the EV part is rough. You might be better off selling it and getting a hybrid for the trip (Civic hybrids run like a top imho - my 2006 has 240k and hasn’t had an issue yet). Charging infrastructure in the west isn’t great. You also have the option of storing more fuel on board if you don’t want to stop in hostile territory. You might even make money on the deal.
I think, in general, people who buy EV are the ones a bit more concerned about environment, which lean to the left and a bit more tolerant. So you probably can charge up your car on exclusively EV charging locations
Yes, you will be welcomed by the people. Being welcomed by the job market is a whole another story, though one that you being American isn’t really getting in your way.
You kind of seem like you are spiraling based off of your additional comments, and may be overestimating the situation somewhat. You seem to be jumping from A to E and skipping through all the other, easier things you could do.
I’m aware I’m spiraling but there’s nothing I can do about it here. Getting mental health care is dangerous now as the Trump administration already said their end goal is to take psych patients and put them in work camps.
I lost access to health care when I lost my job a while back. When I got a new job when health coverage, Trump came to power and I now can’t risk using it. Even if it goes well, they medication could be taken away at any moment and I’ll have to go through a sudden withdrawl again. I’ll lose my job if that happens, which means I’ll be worse off than I am now.
I need to get myself in a situation where it is safe to care for myself.
Get the mental health services for now. It’ll probably help you stay more stable for the difficult planning and decisions that may need to be done. I don’t think the labor camps will pop up suddenly enough to ambush many people. You aren’t as cornered as you feel right now. Figure out your exit plan, figure out your threshold for when to run, and try to live your life and/or resist in the meantime. There are lots of beautiful places to run if you’re willing to learn a new language. Spend some time reading about immigration laws so you’ll know what to do. It’s a little less scary when you know the plan in detail.
I seriously can’t tell if you are just trolling people. You seem to be making excuse after excuse, creating problems for yourself, and are showing poor risk assessment.
I’m in Oregon. Applying and being accepted to be Canadian will take a long time, my friend. You are welcome in Oregon in the meantime. We are a bastion at the moment but just like the rest of the decent states, we are going to have our rights eroded by the dick-tator and muskrat.
Now if only Canada would offer to take the PNW off the orange cancer’s hands. Pretend like your doing him a favor lol
