Comment by Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org on Something everyone agrees with until you name it

This is all just semantics and how the word ‘opposite’ can be applied in different ways. I wouldn’t spend too much time on this.

if you want to use the sentiment expressed in this post as an argument for marxism being good, which seems pretty transparent in this case, then that same sentiment being used to justify eugenics isn’t a good thing for said argument

i’m not that concerned with the precise definition of “opposite”, but i am concerned with whether or not the post’s logic is sound

Except that doesn’t follow logically, but it’s pretty clear that you’re determined to work hard not to understand that.

logic seems pretty clear and laid out to me but you do you, pal

multiple people are working hard to explain the obvious holes in it to you in this very thread pal 😂

i wouldn’t say you’re working particularly hard given that all you’ve done is issue a blanket “no”, and cowbee seems to be coming at the problem from the angle that i’m secretly the ghost of joseph mccarthy

i’ve given you two examples where i think most people would agree with the concepts of eugenics before being told it’s eugenics, and so far nobody’s disagreed with them? what’s your issue? that you don’t think most people would agree with them, or that you don’t think that that fact draws enough of a parallel between eugenics and the post?

As I’ve said earlier, if you genuinely believe that most people are into eugenics, then you’re likely a fascist and there’s not point trying to have a discussion with you. Bye.

i’m not that concerned with the precise definition of “opposite”, but i am concerned with whether or not the post’s logic is sound

The problem is that your argument relies on the idea that “most people support eugenics until you say what it actually is,” which is false in my experience while the post is correct.

i’ve given two examples where i think the average person would come down on the side of “let’s do some eugenics” until being told “haha you just agreed to do some eugenics”

the problem with the post is that if you boil it down, it becomes “things that sound good on the surface are automatically good”, which doesn’t hold

It doesn’t say they are automatically good, just that people have a negative connotation to the word Marxism even if the ideas are sound and good.

“people have a negative connotation to the word Marxism” absolutely has baked-in implications, and an argument left unsaid, even in total isolation

if i say to you “people think the word nazi has negative connotations”, then even with no other context then obviously you’d conclude that i’m a nazi freak

the post doesn’t make any justification for the ideas being sound and good, it says they sound good

i don’t think this post’s subtext is as simple as the interpretation you’re providing

if i say to you “people think the word nazi has negative connotations”, then even with no other context then obviously you’d conclude that i’m a nazi freak

Good thing Nazism isn’t sound, nor does it sound good, even without the label.

the post doesn’t make any justification for the ideas being sound and good, it says they sound good

It does, actually. Marxism is popular and easily understood, yet red scare propaganda and anticommunism has given it a negative connotation. Eugenics and Nazism are not popular, and have bad connotations because they are bad ideas in general, not to mention Nazism being based on pure evil extermination.

You’re not cooking here.

Actually I think I get what you’re saying now and I think you have a point. I am not sure the two can be directly compared that way, though. There are different reasons for why people think each is bad once they hear the name and I don’t think the meme is actually saying that this is an argument for or against anything. Just a funny observation.

But but there’s a person on the internet that might be wrong! *shakes fist at sky*

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