The European People’s party (EPP), an umbrella group of centre-right and conservative parties, has said in the final draft of its manifesto ahead of elections to the European parliament in May that it wants a series of deal with non-EU countries with a view to deporting irregular migrants for asylum processing in “safe” third countries.
“Yet another unsavoury EPP chunk of red meat, meant to attract the far-right vote. It will not work. All the EPP strategy has achieved over the past years, is making the far right bigger. So if they know it doesn’t work, why do they stubbornly repeat the same tactics each time?” said Sophie in ‘t Veld, a Dutch MEP, and the lead representative for the liberal Renew group on the parliament committee for civil liberties, justice and home affairs.
Not that I agree with mass murdering or deportation, then again, I’m realistic enough to understand that this mass of “asylum seekers” is absurd. I am not negating that some of them have a quite solid reasons to ask for asylum, but come on, all of them ?
Nobody can enter a country “regularly” to ask for and get it granted.
Wrong, you can do it, asking for asylum to the embassy of the destination country which is present in your country. Or you can go to a border and ask for it. Or go to a police station once in the country. Or any other way that don’t involve to try to go on the run the moment they set foot in a country.
And before someone starts to depict me as a racist, I am all in for integration. I have no problems if you want to come to my country for a better life or because you are fleeing from political or other forms of persecution, you are welcone as long as you want to integrate into the society and follow the laws of my country. I will support you and I will respect your hard work and the even harder choices and sacrifices you have done.
I literally have a lot of problems if all you want to do once in my country is to be the scum that make my city more dangerous for any of its inhabitants, you want to live on petty crime and consciously ignore the laws of my country.
And I don’t see any problem in a country (or the EU) not wanting this scum.
Wrong, you can do it, asking for asylum to the embassy of the destination country which is present in your country
Which doesn’t work in countries that are subject to civil war or politically opressive regimes. What do you think happens if you are surveilled as a political activist and go to the embassy of that country? You will never make it to your second appointment. Or lets take Afghanistan for example. The people who used to work for Germany were largely fucked over and left to now be killed by the Taliban, as they were told to go through a bureaucratic process at an office, that was already closed for month before the Taliban finally took over again.
Or you can go to a border and ask for it.
Except you can’t because there is noone processing it there, the offices are all in the country.
Or go to a police station once in the country
And voila, you entered the country “irregularly”. It is simply impossible to enter a country regularly to ask for asylum there. That is the whole point of the system.
Which doesn’t work in countries that are subject to civil war or politically opressive regimes.
Never said that it is the only option. It is an option in certain situation, nothing more.
What do you think happens if you are surveilled as a political activist and go to the embassy of that country? You will never make it to your second appointment.
Again. it is an option. But if you are a surveilled, I bet you know from who (or at least have an idea) and you could go to the embassy of some country you know will be friendly with you. I mean, if I am an enemy of Putin I will not go to a Belarus embassy. Once inside you will probably be offered to not leave the embassy if not to leave the country via diplomatics routes.
Or lets take Afghanistan for example. The people who used to work for Germany were largely fucked over and left to now be killed by the Taliban, as they were told to go through a bureaucratic process at an office, that was already closed for month before the Taliban finally took over again.
Yeah, that was bad and totally wrong.
Except you can’t because there is noone processing it there, the offices are all in the country.
I don’t know where you live, but here in Italy we have officers to every border facing countries not in Schengen (or that have bilateral treaties). Like France now have officers on the “border” with UK. But even if they are in the country, borders are watched anyway, if you stops there someone will come. And chances are that there will be someone else to ask for help, even only to call an officer or accompany you to an officer office.
And voila, you entered the country “irregularly”. It is simply impossible to enter a country regularly to ask for asylum there. That is the whole point of the system.
Maybe. Or maybe not. There are ways to legally enter a country.
But assuming you are right on this point, the difference is that the person who want to ask for asylum the first thing he try to do is to look for some sort of authority or help, not to try to go on the run.
It is hard to defend the people who arrive with a boat (if they are lucky) and than actively try to run from the people who are their first point of contact to ask for asylum. I suppose that someone who truly want to ask for asylum want to be found by the country he is entering.
There are ways to legally enter a country.
Not if you require a Visa and you cannot aquire a Visa beforehand. And you can’t because see the points up. Also no embassy can house a million refugees in a year, leave alone help them leave the country that wants to force them into military service (i.e. Syria)
