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81 points

Pretty sure liberals are past 15 an hour and have been for awhile. Centrist Dems are still on board for 15, at least in the party platform. And regardless it’s a damn sight better than those calling for the elimination of the minimum wage altogether.

Meanwhile Congress has never missed a pay raise and that receives minimal attention.

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Its always baffled my how many government positions have perioidic pay increases, sometimes annually, a good pension usually as well, but they will never pass legislation to make other employers do the same.

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Companies pay damn good money to ensure their payroll stays as low as possible. It’s cheaper to buy donate to politicians than raise base pay.

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Which is why the government should take responsibilty and deny the bribery lobbying and enforce better wage and labour laws

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one universal health care idea was to allow all citizens to buy into the same healthcare plan as congress at the same rate they pay.

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will

For government positions it’s about retention as they are competing with the private sector for employees.

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They’re referring to liberalism, not social democracy or progressive or whatever weird definition American media started using in the last 25 years or so.

Here’s a book on what it’s meant for the last 300 years, and what it still means in the rest of the world.

If 344 pages is too long for you, here’s a song from the 60s about liberals that’s no less true today.

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American media, by which we mean conservative media, refers to liberals as that to trick people into thinking the far left doesn’t exist. If centrists can be labeled as left as left can be then it’s safe to ignore the actual left. Of course the Liberals aren’t exactly upset about this either.

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Oh.

And here’s how the rest of the world uses the word “Liberal”: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=liberal+

Here is the Wikipedia article on liberalism: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Here is the dictionary definition of the word: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/liberal

But, hey, your racist asshole made a shitty song about how much he liked Malcom X being shot so liberal is bad and something vote trump, right??

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But, hey, your racist asshole made a shitty song about how much he liked Malcom X being shot so liberal is bad and something vote trump, right??

Imagine having this lackluster reading comprehension, and then linking others to a dictionary.

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You completely missed the point of the song.

Phil Ochs was satirizing liberals of his time pretending to support civil rights, but opposing any actual means to get there and supporting every action against “radicals”.

Here’s MLK expressing the same sentiment.

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You realize the person you’re responding to literally cited a book length academic source by an actual historian, right? Why do you think a Wikipedia article, a google search and, a basic dictionary definition is an adequate response to that?

Judging by your comment history you really need to do some reading on the history of liberalism as a political ideology. This is a long but accessible starting place from a left-wing perspective. Feel free to form your own opinion, man. But at least understand some of the basics of the history of an ideology before you start an argument about what it is and isn’t.

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What do you mean? Congressional salaries have been the same since 2009, they voted against their inflation pay adjustment every year since then, because it’s great PR. They make the real money from insider trading anyway…

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Pretty sure liberals are past 15 an hour and have been for awhile. Centrist Dems are still on board for 15, at least in the party platform.

How can they be both at the same time?

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Because in the US they’re two separate groups.

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No they aren’t.

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