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The war in Ukraine is “existential for our Europe and for France”, Mr Macron said in the interview on France 2 and TF1.

“Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second [in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine]?” he asked. “If Russia wins this war, Europe’s credibility would be reduced to zero.”

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We need to start defining what a win and what a loss is. I feel that this could vary on some parts

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It’s very simple. Make the occupiers fuck off behind Ukraine’s internationally recognised borders.

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Honestly it feels like the only reasonable outcome is a division like Korea, and focus on modernising and liberalising West Ukraine.

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So… west Ukraine up til Moscow and east Ukraine for the rest?

Edit: apparently we need an /s

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That isn’t realistic, and Russia has nuclear weapons too.

The best bet is that the regime will be toppled in Russia with time, just like the USSR was.

It’s better to lead by example with free institutions and free markets - the people of Russia will want freedom too.

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