Swedish music stars call for Israel Eurovision ban over Gaza(www.theguardian.com)

posted 8 months ago

Lee Duna@lemmy.nz

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Tomassci@sh.itjust.works

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8 months ago

That would homestly be nice. It’s not about Eurovision, but about sending a message. If Russia gets banned from many activities for invading a sovereign country, Israel should get the same treatment for doing what is (at best) the same.

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SpookySnek@sh.itjust.works

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8 months ago

Do you think that Russia would have been banned if Ukraine started the invasion by massacring hundreds of innocent civilians at a rave party in Russia, and took random tourists back home to Ukraine to rape them, and then spread videos of it all?

Now, Israel is all but innocent. But it is not 1:1 comparable

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arymandias@feddit.de

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8 months ago

Indeed it’s not a 1 to 1 comparison. One country is ordered by the ICJ to stop committing a potential genocide, and the other isn’t.

Edit: added the word ‘potential’ to more accurately represent the ICJ ruling.

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SpookySnek@sh.itjust.works

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8 months ago

It has been ordered to PREVENT a hypothetical genocie, not to stop “committing a genocide”.

Israel has done enough bad shit that you don’t need to lie to prove your point

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arymandias@feddit.de

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8 months ago

Who is committing the hypothetical genocide?

Russia started a war of aggression so it makes sense they are banned from Eurovision till that has been resolved.

Israel is committing war crimes on a scale that is rare in modern history, so also a good reason to be banned.

And bringing up the oktober 7 attacks kinda sounds hollow after the response from Israel. Hammas killed 1.139 and Israel killed well over 25.000.

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SpookySnek@sh.itjust.works

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8 months ago

Hamas committed a direct attack on civilians, without any military target in mind what-so-ever. Obviously this will be a serious crime against humanity in most people’s eyes that makes it harder to count Israel’s response as unwarranted, counting in their wrongdoings.

With the Rus-Ukr conflict, the same country is both the aggressor and the attacker that started the invasion. That makes it easier to see who the undoubtedly “bad guy” is.

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arymandias@feddit.de

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8 months ago

Hamas is not taking part in Eurovision.
A war crime is a war crime and a genocide is a genocide, no matter the justification.
Calling Hammas the aggressor ignores quite a bit of complicated history.

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8 months ago

Hamas committed a direct attack on civilians, without any military target in mind what-so-ever.

About 1/4th of the Israelis deaths on October 7th were members of the military. The IDF by it’s own reports has killed two civilians for every Hamas member, so 1/3rd of the deaths are military. They have killed at least 10k civilians in one month, so just a bit more than Russia did in the whole war but 10 times as much as Hamas managed! With those numbers let’s keep in mind that Hamas are terrorists while the IDF is an organised army of a democratic state which claims to uphold human rights even in war times.

So yeah, neither side gets a medal from me for holding back against civilians.

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