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-9 points

4 months ago

For fuck’s sake, it’s also not about me.

Yes, it is. It’s cowardice and self-interest. You’re not going to be able to flip this.

You can’t on one hand claim you care about the hypothetical suffering millions while arguing for ignoring a very real on-going genocide funded by your representatives.

“Just let Democrats get away with funding the slaughter of Gazans as long as we can skirt around the consequences of our corrupt politics here.”

Maybe this will help; imagine the Gazans are white Americans. Ignore that they’re brown and live behind some imaginary line “somewhere else” in the world and instead pretend you see them as equal to you.

When you take the perspective that they’re just as human and deserving of life as any of the other domestic groups you’re talking about, you realize that Biden is, at this very moment, doing a “Project 2025” of his own. It’s just against human beings who happen to be 7,000 miles away instead of closer to you.

If Harris chooses to continue Bidens policy on this, I can’t vote for her, exactly the same as I can’t vote for Trump or Biden or any other zionist.

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7 points

4 months ago

Do explain to me how it’s self-interest when I am cishet and white.

And again- the “real ongoing genocide” will be made worse by Trump. You just obviously don’t care about that. And if you don’t feel like voting for either of them, just stay home and don’t vote. Why waste your time or energy?

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-5 points

4 months ago

the “real ongoing genocide” will be made worse by Trump.

Why are you putting this in quotes? It’s an on-going genocide.

And there’s nothing Trump can do to make what’s hapoening in Gaza any worse. Israel is doing exactly as they please. There us no more room to push the needle. The fact that you think there’s room for “worse” makes me think you don’t actually understand what’s happening there.

Even if Trump sent troops to help with the killing it wouldn’t do anything, because it’s a full-blown genocide already and the only thing Israel needs to continue it is what we’ve bern giving them.

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Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM

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5 points

4 months ago

I put it in quotes because I was quoting you. That is why those are called quotation marks.

Again, I am cishet and white, so how is this self-interest?

Also…

Even if Trump sent troops to help with the killing it wouldn’t do anything

What the fuck.

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-4 points

4 months ago

You understand the implication of putting something in quotes. It’s not my subjective opinion what’s happening in Gaza. It’s real. No quotes are necessary, same as if we’re talking about cars you don’t need to put “car” in quotes when you talk about them as if it’s some controversial term.

Again, I am cishet and white, so how is this self-interest?

Because Project 2025 will effect you too. The groups you’re talking about (lgbt people, brown and black Americans) have already been suffering the consequences of right-wing oppression and neoliberal negligence. The difference now is that those consequences are threatening to bleed over into the comfortable bubbles of neoliberal middle class and it’s freaking them out. Suddenly it’s this big priority that we all must pitch in together, while for the last 40 years those minorities gave been told they need to accept “slow progress” and “generational change” so that the corporate status quo can continue on without disruption.

What the fuck.

Do you think a Palestinian child cares if it’s an American pulling the trigger or an Israeli? Does it make a difference in the result?

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5 points

4 months ago

I used quotation marks because that is how punctuation works.

Also, the groups I’m talking about have not yet been marched into concentration camps like Project 2025 has planned for one and implies similar issues for the other.

U.S. troops on the ground would make the genocide worse.

You don’t seem to understand the concept of a bad thing being made worse. As if Britain aiding the Nazis in the Holocaust by killing all of their own Jews would somehow been equally as bad as what actually happened. Either that, or you’re fine with the Gaza genocide being worse and more genocides planned in the U.S., one of them explicitly stated by Project 2025 is a good thing so you can say you told us so.

So which is it- more genocide isn’t bad because lots more dead people doesn’t make genocide worse or you don’t care if there’s more genocide because you can gloat afterward?

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-3 points

4 months ago

I’m rejecting your notion that the genocide can be made worse as baseless. You can’t fill a bucket that’s already full, regardless of how much more water you pour into it.

It’s full scale genocide. Nothing is inhibiting Israel, Biden is giving them everything they want already.

They have enough guns, they have enough bombs, they have enough soldiers, they completely control every entrance into Gaza. They control the water, the food, the stopping of aid. They are shooting people indiscriminately in the streets, in hospitals, bombing them in safe zones, pushing them into mass graves.

They have destroyed all the hospitals, all the schools, all the homes, all the infrastructure. They’ve killed all the press, they’ve bulldozed all the cemetaries. Children who’ve lost their entire families areliterally laying down, hoping to get run over by a car or killed.

That’s how hopeless the genocide is in Gaza right now. Don’t talk to me about vague “worse” options, as if that will give me a reason to ignore what’s being done.

You can’t actually offer up anything except “Maybe the American-made and delivered bullet that kills a Palestinian will be shot out of a gun held by a US soldier instead of and IDF soldier”. That means nothing to me, it’s immaterial to the real concern.

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