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2 months ago

When has voting ever stopped fascism?

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davidagain@lemmy.world

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2 months ago

This coming November. If you cared even a tiny little bit, you would make a mark in a box. But you don’t really care, you just pretend to care.

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2 months ago

Historically, when has voting ever stopped fascism? Do you have any historical knowledge of fascism, where you think you can stop it simply through the electoral process?

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davidagain@lemmy.world

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2 months ago

Your question is actually misleading. What you mean is “when did voting cause a fascist regime to hand over power peacefully”, but what’s not documented well in the history books is how many times a far right party lost an election, didn’t get their hands on real power and didn’t become a regime. The answer to the two questions is

Not very often. One they’re in power is usually too late and an awful lot of lives, usually those of people in marginalised groups, are lost unnecessarily. Fascists rarely give way to popular opinion once they’re in power.
EVERY time a far right party with plans to dismantle opposition loses an election, you prevent a fascist regime from getting started.

What’s better? Wait till it happens and it gets so bad that people take up arms and even more death occurs to start the long road back to peaceful transfer of power or vote it away before it starts?

You can help to prevent this, but no, you’re claiming to care and hinting that you might be prepared to do something drastic, but if it comes down to putting a mark in a box, oh no, that’s asking too much. You’re completely deceiving yourself if you believe what you’re saying.

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2 months ago

Your question is actually misleading. What you mean is “when did voting cause a fascist regime to hand over power peacefully”, but what’s not documented well in the history books is how many times a far right party lost an election, didn’t get their hands on real power and didn’t become a regime.

No, that’s not what I mean. America has a fascist problem, even if Biden wins fascism is still coming. I am directly asking you when fascism was stopped by voting against a fascist threat.

EVERY time a far right party with plans to dismantle opposition loses an election, you prevent a fascist regime from getting started.

No, this is historically inaaccurate, hilariously so. The Nazis took power without being elected.

What’s better? Wait till it happens and it gets so bad that people take up arms and even more death occurs to start the long road back to peaceful transfer of power or vote it away before it starts?

You can’t “vote it away,” fascists don’t care about electoral results. They sieze power. Voting for Biden slows the descent into fascism but does nothing to the core reasons why it exists, ie decaying Capitalism and dying Imperialism.

You can help to prevent this, but no, you’re claiming to care and hinting that you might be prepared to do something drastic, but if it comes down to putting a mark in a box, oh no, that’s asking too much. You’re completely deceiving yourself if you believe what you’re saying.

I’m actually suggesting organizing, touching grass, and building dual power. I do plan on voting, I myself am undecided. If the Democrats manage to completely reverse their genocidal tendencies and take a firm Anticapitalist stance, I would probably vote for them, but as it stands that just kicks the problem down the road while conditions continue to worsen.

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davidagain@lemmy.world

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2 months ago

Even if your points were correct, it’s an absurd conclusion to draw: voting mighn’t keep them out of power in the long so don’t try now? How stupid is that advice? Very.

No, this is historically inaaccurate, hilariously so. The Nazis took power without being elected.

The Nazi party came to hold the reigns of government by winning the largest number of seats in a parliamentary election. (In Europe coalition government is more common than in the USA.) No power, no regime.

that just kicks the problem down the road

For four years. Better than allowing it to happen this year!

Maybe we can kick the can down the road long enough for the Republican party to realise that cristofascism isn’t popular and if they want power ever again they’d better drop it.

What do the fascists want? People who care to stay home on election day or vote for everyone except the one that beat trump last time. What are you advocating? The same course of action. Literally the same.

I’m actually suggesting organizing, touching grass…

Blah blah blah, but putting a mark in the box that matters is too much for you. Got it. Very sincere antifascist. /s

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2 months ago

Even if your points were correct, it’s an absurd conclusion to draw: voting mighn’t keep them out of power in the long so don’t try now? How stupid is that advice? Very.

I am correct, historically. Either way, you’re voting for fascism slowly, rather than fascism rapidly. Why does that keep them out of power if it happens regardless?

The Nazi party came to hold the reigns of government by winning the largest number of seats in a parliamentary election. (In Europe coalition government is more common than in the USA.) No power, no regime.

Yes, the people voted against the Nazis and the liberals sided with the Nazis against the Leftists with electoral shenanigans, regardless of what the people wanted. You’re proving my point.

For four years. Better than allowing it to happen this year!

Nope, fascism is gaining in power under Biden, the rate of increase slows. There isn’t a binary Not Fascist/Fascist switch with Biden/Trump, fascism is gaining regardless. America isn’t determined solely by the President.

Maybe we can kick the can down the road long enough for the Republican party to realise that cristofascism isn’t popular and if they want power ever again they’d better drop it.

It is popular, and continues to get more popular. This is why Liberals like yourself never manage to beat out fascists, you don’t understand why it’s appealing to desparate petite-bourgeoisie.

What do the fascists want? People who care to stay home on election day or vote for everyone except the one that beat trump last time. What are you advocating? The same course of action. Literally the same.

Fascists literally do not care what you or I do, they will continue to win locally unless leftists organize against them while Liberals cry for “civility.”

Blah blah blah, but putting a mark in the box that matters is too much for you. Got it. Very sincere antifascist. /s

You should read a book, any book. I think reading things might help you think more clearly.

Voting for slow fascism or fast fascism still results in fascism. How do you stop fascism from being on the ballot? Strongly worded letters?

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