Israel’s Knesset passed a resolution rejecting the establishment of a Palestinian state on Thursday.

The bill, co-sponsored by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition along with right-wing parties in the opposition, was passed by an overwhelming majority of 68 votes, with only nine MKs voting against it.

Benny Gantz, seen by many leaders in the West as a more moderate figure than Netanyahu, voted in favour of the bill, along with his party.

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They have since passed a bill annexing those areas, plus more, and even in the official “justification” for the war Russia clearly expects to be able to decide Ukraine’s foreign policy

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And none of that means Russia is claiming Ukraine.

In fact, by recognizing Luhansk and Donetsk as independent countries, they were explicitly saying that Luhansk and Donetsk were not part of Russia.

It’s not the same situation as Taiwan or Palestine, where China and Israel respectively claim that those territories are theirs and include them on official maps.

Edit: Look at official maps of Russia from Russia. The annexed territories are shown as part of Russia, but the rest of Ukraine isn’t.

Edit 2: You guys, this isn’t a matter of opinion. You’re just misunderstanding the situation. “Territory X belongs to country Y” can depend on who you ask, but “Country Y claims territory X” is a simple fact that is either true or not.

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In fact, by recognizing Luhansk and Donetsk as independent countries, they were explicitly saying that Luhansk and Donetsk were not part of Russia.

They passed actual law saying otherwise almost two years ago. You are just making this up.

It’s not the same situation as Taiwan or Palestine, where China and Israel respectively claim that those territories are theirs and include them on official maps.

What, because there’s some of Ukraine left afterwards on the condition that it only does what Russia wants it to do?

The initial claim was that it was a land grab, which it absolutely is.

“Territory X belongs to country Y” can depend on who you ask, but “Country Y claims territory X” is a simple fact that is either true or not.

It’s only a simple fact if you look at maps and literally nothing else. A vassal state is not really independent, is it?

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They were boiling the frog by recognizing LPR and DPR prior to annexation, don’t be thick. You can read Putin’s speeches where he clearly states he believes that Ukraine is part of “Russkiy Mir”, not a real country.

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don’t be thick

Where am I being thick? What do you think I’m not understanding?

I don’t understand your objection to anything I’m saying.

Israel and China have somewhat understandable claims over West Bank/Gaza and Taiwan, which is why those are complicated situations. Russia makes no such claim over Ukraine.

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They have annexed huge parts of Ukraine. That’s called a land grab. That they don’t claim all of Ukraine is besides the point.

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Russia has ALWAYS claimed that Ukraine is not a country and that it’s part of Russia. That’s what this whole war is all about.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine-fact-checking-the-kremlins-version-of-ukrainian-history/

on 26 February, Surkov stated that “there is no Ukraine. There is Ukrainian-ness. That is, a specific disorder of the mind. An astonishing enthusiasm for ethnography, driven to the extreme.” Surkov went on to claim that Ukraine is “a muddle instead of a state. […] But there is no nation. There is only a brochure, ‘The Self-Styled Ukraine’, but there is no Ukraine.”

Vladimir Putin reportedly claimed that “Ukraine is not even a state! What is Ukraine? A part of its territory is [in] Eastern Europe, but a[nother] part, a considerable one, was a gift from us!”

Putin declared that Russians and Ukrainians “are one people. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities. Ancient Rus’ is our common source and we cannot live without each other.”

Lies repeated by other Russian puppets:

US President Donald Trump reportedly exclaimed that Ukraine “wasn’t a ‘real country,’ that it had always been a part of Russia”.

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