Thank you Raymond Hill(programming.dev)

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UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world

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7 months ago

It’s kinda sad that without Mozilla, Raymond, the NoScript guys and TOR we would lose control over the internet pretty much immediately

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azalty@jlai.lu

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7 months ago

Not really anymore for Mozilla. They now get a lot of your private data and share em with their “business partners”

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olutukko@lemmy.world

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7 months ago

I’m going to need some sources for that claim or I’m calling bullshit. I have never heard anyone claim that and I have seen absolutely zero evidence suggesting that.

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these are the closest things I could find,

https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/22/24109116/mozilla-ends-onerep-data-removal-partnership

https://videoweek.com/2022/02/10/mozilla-partners-with-meta-for-privacy-preserving-attribution/

and neither is bad. meta is a questionable choice for privacy cooperation but even in that it makes sure no one, not even meta, can read those match keys

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azalty@jlai.lu

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7 months ago

I believe a lot of info I got was from this video but it’s been a while so I’m not too sure: https://youtu.be/ugnOM2mzgNU

Also yea Firefox sends a lot of telemetry data and stuff, even if you disable the option in the menu. You have to go to the developer mode to remove all of it. Check “hardened Firefox”. If there is an hardened Firefox, then there is a non-hardened Firefox.

And then there are all the contracts and calls to Google’s server, for example for geolocation and stuff

And if you want the ultimate proof, everything is in their privacy policy https://www.mozilla.org/fr/privacy/firefox/ - just see how much data they collect, use and share, for better or for worse.

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olutukko@lemmy.world

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7 months ago

after reading the privacy site that doesn’t sound too bad. or at least “tracks you private data and shares it with their business partners” bad which makes it sound like they are literally spying on you.

they do send telemetry data yes, but not your ip or anything that could be used to track against you, they do share some data while using the search function from url bar which is prettt much necessary and that seems to be only the stuff you typed.

most of it seems to just be about sponsored content where they send the amount of clicks and time when those clicks happened so advertisers know some statistics and advertisors get their royalties. firefox does suggest you content based on your browsing history but that happens locally. in no point does you browsing history go outside your computer, which is the most important part to me. they do know what was suggested, but not how it was suggested

so in conclusion, they do send some device information, information about your clicks and where those clicks happened and some other very basic telemetry with no information that could be tracked to you.

of course if one want the ultimate privacy that can be a dealbreaker. but to say that they collect your private data is quite an overstatement imo. I couldn’t give a damn if my browsing is part of some anonymous statistics.

but yeah in a way you’re correct, they do collect data. like almost literally every application does in the modern era

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azalty@jlai.lu

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7 months ago

Did you forget about geolocation?

Mozilla’s websites are full of trackers too, and they are largely funded by Google. How can you protect privacy when your biggest customer gains money by tracking? Seems like a clear conflict of interest.

And it’s not a bit of telemetry data, it’s literally your entire computer config, number of tabs open, duration… they claim not to log IPs, but can you really trust them? The point is you’re constantly pinging with your IP to their servers for useless reasons. They literally sell your data by sharing it to their “business partners”.

They also send the url of all files you download to Google by default. Great. That’s privacy!

(The video also gives some good points)

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olutukko@lemmy.world

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7 months ago

yeah I can trust them with no ip logging because I live in eu and if that big of a company breaks their own rules it’s going to get noted and addressed

and without the ip you just keep sending quite basic stuff anonymously. nobody is getting tracked by that. it’s just pretty anoymous data which ingludes general stuff like tab count, information about your ROUGH location (ip based, not accurate), hardware, clicks, count of clicks, times page visited etc… so just basic stuff that has literally nothing to do with the actual user. the link to your telemetry ends at the moment they don’t tell the actual stuff that identifies you like your ip. please if you disagree, what part of that data don’t you want to be shared because it has something to do with your privacy? it’s all anonymous.

firefox is an opensource software where literally anyone can view the source code and check themselves what is actually sent. you argument all you want with the “but can youn trust them?” but literally anyone esle except some guy on youtube didn’t feel like complaining about firefox

it’s an opensource software, running with the expenses of a big browser. the fact that you let firefox use your anonymous telemetry for royalties is the least you can do to support browser like that. it is literally your specs, location by city, amount of clicks, where the clicks were, when it happened, and possibly some other stuff that I can’t remember. all which is sent without you ip or other indications? what about those is actualy sacred?

also the sharing with third party service is only current with the current search service so you can choose yourself where you want to give your data in search engines.

and the google ad sevice only gets your ad-id which doesn’t get linked to you if you don’t use other google services in which case this conversation is pointless.

sorry if I missed something I’m high as fuck

But I see no reason for fearmongering or untrust. they are literally OPEN FUCKING SOURCE!

edit: and of course they are doing a lot of businnes with googe it is literally the biggest and easiest advertiser and they need money from somewhere. doesn’t meen they spy on YOU and track YOUR data as your own and sell it with your info slapped on it.

they have 1100 employees to pay for and a LOT of servers for almost 15 million users. think about the costs with the mind that they also have to take profit to grow and get more customers. they cant stay completely still with growth and profits if they want to get more users and servers space. it takes a lot more resources to get as any users as it took in the firefox glory days

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