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I thought we were discussing ecological impacts. this seems to be an entirely different r discussion.

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The factory farming industry has very significant ecological impacts. In addition to the extreme suffering and misery that it causes to sentient beings. It’s really a lose-lose.

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it seems like muddying the waters. why is it so hard to focus on the effectiveness of consumer action in reducing ecological impacts? that is the topic

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I see the people consuming the meat and animal products as consumers. I see the impact they have on the planet as ecological impact. I don’t see how this is off topic.

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