Comment by Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee on Las Vegas' dystopia-sphere, powered by 150 Nvidia GPUs and drawing up to 28,000,000 watts, is both a testament to the hubris of humanity and an admittedly impressive technical feat

A purely utilitarian life is a life only spent on survival. Not a life I want to live.

Well, that hubris won’t afford you a livable world for much longer.

We could have respected the planet that birthed us, and taken only what we needed. Instead we extracted every natural resource we could find, and left behind countless shattered ecosystems. Even as the walls close in, we accelerate our pettiness and perform acts of wastefulness that alone do measurable ecological damage, and we celebrate it because it is “cool”.

If this is something you feel strongly about, then please stop eating factory farmed meat and animal products if you havent already. It is something you personally can actually do. It helps, and it will genuinely make you feel better. You may not have much power, but using the power you do have to help the team you claim to be on instead of the other team is a massive step forward.

Look, you’re not really wrong, but you get that this shit is why people get irritated with vegans right? We were talking about being wasteful with energy resources for the sake of capitalism and you came in with a lazy segue to animal rights and nutritional health.

It’s a conversation that we should be having, but it’s also insufferable to constantly be shoehorning it into every conversation.

I don’t agree. The comment points out the single most effektive move an individal without political nor financial power can make to cut personal co2-emissions with just a change of habit. It’s not about veganism, animal rights or your health, it’s just about sanity. Us still eating meat even though we know better is an incredibly dumb waste of energy for the sake of pleasure, exactly like this shitty powereating globe.
As long as >95% of the global population still consumes meat I understand the urge to bring this topic everywhere.

Take a train instead of a flight. Cycle to work or take public transport instead of driving. Install a heat pump or solar in your house. There are a million things people can do to cut down their emissions that can be as effective as becoming herbivores, depending on each one’s personal situation.

Plus, I don’t have the numbers in my head but I’m pretty sure a locally grown fillet of chicken is more environmentally friendly than an avocado that has travelled across the Atlantic, so “buy local” would be probably better advice.

Yeah, so many things one should do. Yet nothing is as simple as paying for a different product next time you’re shopping your groceries.
Avocados are way less harmfull to our planet than local meat. People keep bringing this up so often it’s #20 on the Vegan Bullshit Bingo.

Oh, you’re one of those “you can save the planet with your personal habits” people…

You enjoy your salad. I’m wondering what it takes to firebomb an oil refinery.

And you are one of those “every problem on the planet is the fault of someone else other than me so I can do whatever I want with no regard for it’s affect on anyone else” people. Stay away from us if you can’t be bothered to carry your own weight, you just drag down people who actually give a shit about something other than their own immediate selfish gratification.

you are one of those “every problem on the planet is the fault of someone else other than me…”

Yes.

The comment points out the single most effektive move an individal without political nor financial power can make to cut personal co2-emissions with just a change of habit.

eating meat doesn’t emit co2

Producing that meat does.

Note that the commenter didn’t say to quit all eating meat. They just said to quit eating “factory farmed” meat.

It’s not about eating meat, it’s about factory farming the meat and the damage to the environment caused by it.

… right. but your personal consumption doesn’t change industrial output.

those are emissions from production.

You came in here with your absolutist utilitarian life above all else or we all die post just to respond with this because someone suggested you to stop eating meat. Beautiful.

That’s not veganism, that’s environmentalism. Veganism is recognizing that animals have the right not to be treated as property and have atrocities visited upon them. That the experiences of animals are real and matter. That their suffering is identical in nature to your own.

Avoiding animal products for the good of the environment has nothing to do with veganism. At least understand what your childish knee-jerk reactions are actually reacting to.

It helps,

no, it doesnt. despite the existence of vegans, meat production increases every year, year over year.

And there’s crime so you might as well rape. What a pathetic cop out. You’re lucky there are so many people taking care of you.

And there’s crime so you might as well rape

the claim is that by not consuming factory farmed meat, you make an impact on the amount of emissions from its production. this is not true. it is also not analogous to raping anyone.

You honestly think that factory farm emissions font change if people don’t give them money for their product? If your head was any further down in the sand, the magma would melt it.

Analogies don’t indicate a similar level of morality. They are used to explain points to people who, for some reason, are unwilling or unable to otherwise understand.

Analogies don’t indicate a similar level of morality.

i didnt suggest they did. i’m saying that buying food is disanalagous to rape.

edit

to be clear, rape is wrong. buying food is not. you don’t not-rape in order to reduce rape. you don’t-rape because rape is wrong. by contrast, the goal of not-buying meat is to reduce the environmental impact of the meat industry. if that doesn’t work, then not-buying meat is not a moral duty (at least, not for that reason. it’s possible there is some other reason, but that’s not the topic being discussed).

If your head was any further down in the sand, the magma would melt it.

this is a thought terminating cliche

You honestly think that factory farm emissions font change if people don’t give them money for their product?

have you tried that?

my point is that buying meat (or not) has no impact on the environment.

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