Nato members have pledged their support for an “irreversible path” to future membership for Ukraine, as well as more aid.

While a formal timeline for it to join the military alliance was not agreed at a summit in Washington DC, the military alliance’s 32 members said they had “unwavering” support for Ukraine’s war effort.

Nato has also announced further integration with Ukraine’s military and members have committed €40bn ($43.3bn, £33.7bn) in aid in the next year, including F-16 fighter jets and air defence support.

The bloc’s Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said: “Support to Ukraine is not charity - it is in our own security interest.”

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Starting to notice a lot of Tankies jumping to .world because they let .ml slide enough that enough of us ban .ml users on sight

edit: Site to Sight.

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Never knew this was a thing. I just choose a random instance when I joined Lemmy.

Got banned recently for being critical about “Apple & China relationship” and sourced a few articles in privacy channel or whatever its called.

I didn’t know why I was banned because according to their rules and didn’t break any rules, so I messaged a few mods for a response.

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Please don’t ban me… I joined .ml because it was privacy, security and FOSS focused! I had no idea about the ancillary political focus now associated with it.

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Yeah, its a large instance, and you need some inside knowledge to know about the political leanings.

Fun fact, they chose .ml to abbreviate marxist-leninist

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I joined .ml because it was privacy, security and FOSS focused!

Sort of the joke in all this. The .ml users are “raiding” the sub because they like the advanced feature set.

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1: I’m just a user, if its just me blocking you, it’s likely not going to impact your lemmy experience much

2: While the .ml tag means I instantly am wary/distrust you, the autoblock happens when you try and justify anything Russia and China has done.

Maybe Ukraine deserved to be invaded? Block

Countries surrounding Russia lining up to join Nato is a sign of expanding US Hegemony? Block

Isreali citizens deserved to be gunned down and r***** because they are settlers and not human? You better believe thats an autoblock

(China’s not currently on this example list because they havent done anything in the last few months. I guess you could replace Ukraine for Taiwan in the first example)

(But really, if you are still in .ml and not a Tankie, you should move instances, that instance is too far gone for it to recover)

edit: And before one of you fucknuts “WHATABOUT GAZA” 's me, yeah FUCK the GOVERNMENT of Isreal for what they are doing to Gaza currently, two warcrimes dont make a right

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The mind of the tankie cannot comprehend such logical consistency

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Countries surrounding Russia lining up to join Nato is a sign of expanding US Hegemony? Block

But… it is, isn’t it?

Go ahead and block if you want. The important thing is that you don’t encounter any ideas that make you uncomfortable.

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Mention Gaza? Block. Straight to block.

Take too long to denounce Russia? Block.

Denounce Russia too fast? Believe it or not, block. Straight to block.

We have the best echo chamber in the world, because of block.

I’m joking, obviously. Putin can die in a fire, and I want him to live long enough to suffer from it first. I just ALSO have no faith in the West to be much better. Seems like around here if you’re not firmly in one camp, you must be in the other.

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I’m trying, but I don’t understand what this has to do with Ukraine NATO membership.

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This sentiment makes me sad.

I chose .ml because it was smaller than .world (and that seemed to be the point of federation) but was also generic (my interests are very varied) and had great uptime, and didn’t de-federate or had been de-federated by many instances. Now people say stuff like this and I feel the need to change instances because I don’t want people to tar me with that brush (and I have been accused directly multiple times just because of my instances) but I feel conflicted because the whole point of this while thing was that we could be on any instance we liked and it shouldn’t impact our “social standing”. I’m disappointed in people that they can’t judge a person by the content of their character rather than the instance they are on. And alas - I feel it’s only a matter of time before I’m forced to change instance because of other people’s prejudice.

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Eh, they use .ml to mean marxist-leninist. I have an inkling feeling you too would be wary if you saw a comment by “user@lemmy.nazi”.

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I was unaware of that when I posted this.

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I might judge someone based off the usage of “tar me with that brush”

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Communities on .ml are moderated in a way that pisses people off, especially in regard to politics.

People that judge someone with an .ml name on an different instance and a different community are acting like clowns. They’re just being lazy and/or prejudicial.

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I feel conflicted because the whole point of this while thing was that we could be on any instance we liked and it shouldn’t impact our “social standing”.

I don’t think that was ever the point of federation, especially with defederation as an option, specifically to deal with instances that don’t follow generally accepted morays.

It sucks that you’re going to have to abandon the instance you initially picked, but it happens to the best of us. I picked kbin initially, and abandoned that after a while due to the increasing toxicity, and the increasingly large lack of features or development by the one person doing it.

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judge a person by the content of their character

forced to change instance because of other people’s prejudice.

Sorry if I’m getting the wrong impression here, but the moderators with whom you choose to associate is pretty easy to change and not a part of who you are.

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This sentiment is exactly what I’m talking about.

I’m not associated with the moderators anymore than your average user of .world is associated with their’s.

My point is, yes I can choose to change instance but why should I? Lemmy is meant to embody the best of us - and yet some of us are creating “us and them” situations.

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Don’t worry too much about it; downvote and move on.
My advice would be to just ignore people like that who rush to name calling without contributing anything to the discussion.
Just another asshole on the internet…

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Oh look, another .marxist-lennonist who served themselves up to my blocklist =D

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Wait, people actually think Russia or China would be any different of they had the US’ influence? That’s crazy. It’s like folks never heard that quote that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Any country that ends up with that amount of influence will inevitably resort to bs to maintain that power, even if it was a harmless, pacifistic country like Switzerland.

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I’m not gas lighting you and I didn’t know that was the intended acronym of .ml

If that’s true then I will be moving instance.

BTW I’ve not been blocked (to my knowledge) by anyone- I’ve just had a couple of instances where I’ve been in discussion with someone and when they turn to ad hominem attacks they’ve called me a tankie or some such. Regardless of what was being discussed or my views.

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Technically the .ml stands for Mali lol

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Not OP. I didn’t realize what the .ml stood for, so thanks for the info!

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What’s hexbear? Another instance?

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“Anyone who dares to say anything that disagrees with the official western line is a tankie” - you, basically. Anyway, all anyone has to do is look at the upvotes and downvotes to see who really is flooding .world and it’s not the tankies like you claim with your victim complex post.

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“Anyone who dares to say anything that disagrees with the official western line is a tankie” -

More like ‘anyone with a comment history rabidly defending the acts of nations like Russia and China because anti-US’. You know, like your comment history.

You lot have been popping up here more and more as your havens get banned by people. But at least we can still block you directly.

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“Rabidly defending” in this case being me simply stating that there is more to the situation than what the official western propaganda states and then having dozens of people like you jumping down my throat with angry replies and downvotes. My mistake for taking the time to respond to these people, thus giving me this “comment history”. Russia is obviously in the wrong for invading Ukraine, but we need to examine why it did it so we can prevent something like that from happening in the future. Apparently there is no room for nuance for people like you, it’s just good guys vs bad guys and you’re obviously always the good guy.

Speaking of havens, it’s also people like you who shriek endlessly about the need to eradicate all “tankies” as you march towards your goal of turning the fediverse into reddit 2.0. Go ahead and block me, you obviously can’t stand to see an opinion that doesn’t totally agree with your own.

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I chose whatever I am because it was the first one I saw when I made the jump

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I’m not saying all world members are Tankies, I’m just saying that I’m seeing a whole lot more Russian apologia coming from .world users (China hasnt done something fucked in the news recently aside from that fuel/food thing that hit front page today) than I used to. Which is a similar pattern that I saw with .ml once most of us wised up to banning the fuck out of hexbear

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The difference is that .world admins will ban those people if they break the rules, while .ml ones will ban those who report them.

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