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Even if that is true, does it somehow invalidate the fact that they are also homeless?! Are they less deserving to be out of the elements because they have an addiction?

That’s what I find so disgusting about this statement. It’s just an excuse and doesn’t address anything at all.

Using his own “argument”, it would seem to me that a path to less addiction and violence would involve having a place to live and sleep.

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Lots of people feel this way about homelessness and addiction. It’s very easy to dehumanized people. My cousin interrupted me, when I said something about it, and told me “when you have people shooting up outside your house, then you can complain”. As if i couldnt have an opinion until i experience the issue that is homelessness, the war on drugs, and our failure to address mental health issues in this country with my very own eyes. She’s a bit snooty, and she doesn’t even realize it.

Nevermind that once you become homeless, it becomes much harder to dig yourself out of that hole (probably by design).

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It’s such a self-centered point of view. They can’t even conceive of themselves ever being in a similar situation so they assume the person inconveniencing them must be fully to blame for their homelessness. Then they can ignore those degenerates without feeling guilty about it.

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If you are homeless, it’s because supply side Jesus doesn’t love you, obviously

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Yeah wonder what could drive someone to addiction and desperation? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm couldn’t be not having a stable food supply and a place to live?

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Yeah the whole correlation causation thing is going to be very mixed up here. Like lets look at it another way:

Oh no I become disabled > Can’t work anymore shit I got no money > Try to apply for disability benefits oh fuck its a million forms and I need a lawyer oh fuck I’m broke > Crash at friends to apply for disability, first try fails after 1 year (this is pretty standard usually takes 2-3 trys), oh fuck friend kicks me out > go to homeless camp struggling to feed yourself, no time to think about applying for benefits anymore > The pain is too much I don’t have my medicine anymore its fucking freezing oh shit that guys selling drugs > get addicted

Boom, you’re homeless and addicted. That story could happen to literally anyone without generational wealth and an exceptionally strong support network.

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Are they less deserving to be out of the elements because they have an addiction?

That’s not what’s being said. He is criticizing the fact that so many people assume that ‘just give them a place to live’ is the solution, when it’s much, much more complicated than that. In that way, “homeless” is very reductive, and masks those other issues, in favor of making it look like it’s a simple problem with a simple solution.

Very few long-term homeless people are homeless simply because they can’t afford a place to live.

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So we shouldn’t house them unless and until we figure out all of the complex issues? They’re not going to benefit any at all, or have any possibility of getting on their feet, until we have a perfect solution?

That’s what’s being said there: homelessness is not something we should do anything about, because of reasons. So let’s do nothing.

That’s a fucking cop out.

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So we shouldn’t house them unless and until we figure out all of the complex issues?

That’s what’s being said there: homelessness is not something we should do anything about

No, Cathy, that’s not what was said.

The fact of the matter is that we know what happens when we provide shelter without anything else. It doesn’t last and you’re right back where you started before you know it. After all, it’s that stuff that is the reason they became homeless in the first place.

If you don’t address the other stuff, ‘just give them a house lol’ literally doesn’t work long-term. That’s the reality.

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Homelessness encompasses far more than rough sleeping. I agree that there are issues that many homeless people may face that wouldn’t be resolved just by giving them a roof over their head. But it’d be a great start. And don’t forget, a lot of homelessness is people and families in temporary or crisis housing, or couch surfing with friends and family, because they can’t afford a place of their own.

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I wouldn’t say this contradicts anything I said, really. I don’t disagree with any of this.

I bristled specifically at the ridiculously glib and reductive “solve homelessness” line. People love to think issues like these are things that have simple obvious solutions that no one thought of before their enlightenment came along and deigned to bless the rest of us.

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Giving them a house is the shortest route to address all the other problems. But no, let’s a Neo-Nazi junkie address the issue of deviance.

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