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63 points

Source for anyone interested. I was initially confused since New York got rid of the death penalty decades ago, but it’s from a new federal charge I hadn’t seen yet.

As far as I can find they haven’t officially said they’re pursuing the death penalty for this charge just that this charge is eligible for it. I see no other reason for it though.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/dec/19/luigi-mangione-eligible-death-penalty-new-federal-/

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Not to discredit the opinion, but don’t most school shooters (if not all -I don’t really pay attention) get killed on site and also have a personal grievance rather than just manipulation by media and statistics? Mangione seemed poised to become a serial killer. If he’s free’d, it tells society it’s ok to go around killing allegedly bad people (and ~20% of us are incredibly gullible conspiracy theorists -percent will be higher on certain sites on the internet as opposed to real life).

We also have to wonder how much more effective long term Mangione could have been alive and free.

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9 points

He killed a serial killer. And killing multiple serial killers is a societal good (as long as the state isn’t the one doing the killing).

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-23 points

Denying people certain services does not equate to murder.

Should I kill a CEO for approving VIOXX which caused heart disease, intense abdominal pain, and GERD? -How about the doctor for prescribing it over an extremely minor issue? -Then there’s the subsequent prescription ant-acids that can cause stomach cancer. -What about their responsibility when lemon water with cayenne worked as good or better?

When I tore rotator cuffs, I was denied surgery from the insurance company because they were only up to 40% tears. -I recovered for the most part and am glad I didn’t get the risky surgery.

I was told I needed a hernia operatation (umbilical). Other people got it and ended up needing follow up surgery. Every surgery is a risk of your life.

So without knowing specifics (I have yet to see any among all this nonsense), I’m not supporting blatant killing which is what Mangione did. -Or show me how the CEO was directly responsible without resorting to propaganda (which statistics typically are).

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6 points

this is who you’re defending.

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-12 points

You don’t even know to source your propaganda. For all we know, it’s The Onion or The National Enquirer.

-Maybe stay out of the debate on it?

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7 points

No, they don’t. And I’m not sure why you think that he planned to continue killing, unless you know something we don’t.

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Was he an idiot? Why would he have been found with the murder weapon and a manifesto? If I were out to kill one person, both of those would be the first things I’d get rid of.

Ok, maybe I can agree that he was an idiot.

edit: yes! The fact that he was found with those can lead to different / harsher charges.

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Mangione seemed poised to become a serial killer.

That’s pure speculation. And I hate to tell you this but people don’t typically get sentence for “future crimes”.

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2 points

Not yet, give Trump a couple more months

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34 points

Damn. They are genuinely scared shitless by this. They are not pulling any punches either. And there is nothing more dangerous than a group of powerful people who are scared.

This is why the constitution has an amendment about cruel and unusual punishment. But we know that those in power have (decades-) long abandoned the constitution.

I believe the genuine terrorism has been the US gov, and it’s been a long time in the making. They’ve spent generations conditioning us all that it’s somebody else’s dilemma. I hope their fervor to scare us back in line backfires extraordinarily.

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27 points

Wait. The federal government still has death penalty?

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Yeah, that’s why actually charging Trump for the insurrection would be so much of an issue. It would make him an enemy of the state, and anyone who aided him would be considered guilty of treason. The sentence for Treason is life or death. (Life in prison, or the death penalty)

One could argue that giving money to someone is aid … thereby all of the GOP would be guilty of treason… And that would throw us into chaos

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32 points

He is an enemy of the State, in the most literal sense of the phrase. He tried to overthrow the legitimate government FFS!

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20 points

Holy shit, that’s serious. Thankfully he’s supposedly rich, so non of this applies to him. Instead he gets another 4 years of insurrection.

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In the US, yes. It’s pretty contentious and hasn’t been used much.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/state-and-federal-info/federal-death-penalty

Unsurprisingly a large number of them occured under Trump’s administration.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_federal_government

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42 points

They’re going to do everything in their power to ensure he doesn’t get a jury of his peers.

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