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A New York man, Chen Jinping, pleaded guilty to operating an undeclared Chinese police station in Manhattan for China’s Ministry of Public Security.

The station, part of a transnational repression scheme, aided Beijing in locating and suppressing pro-democracy activists in the U.S., violating American sovereignty.

Authorities say the station also served routine functions like renewing Chinese driving licenses but had a more sinister role, including tracking a California-based activist.

Chen faces up to five years in prison, while a co-defendant has pleaded not guilty and awaits trial.

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26 points

Doesn’t work like that, my guy. They were targeting Chinese descendants, which would make them american.

Also this:

US officials have warned for years of Chinese determination to influence American policy and cultivate relationships with political figures, but also act to pressure US-Chinese nationals domestically.

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I’m not trying to be facetious, but am interested in the logic of the law specifically. What was legally wrong about a private citizen sending a message abroad about publicly available information on someone?

I assume they were doing more nefarious things, but the article doesn’t specifically say.

But if ‘all’ they were doing was dealing with publicly available information, then I don’t follow the legal logic…

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“private citizen sending a message abroad about publicly available information on someone?”

That is actually a pretty nefarious thing because it is targeted, as in spying. That’s what is not legal.

Just a quick search gave me this:

18 U.S.C. 2261A says, “Whoever (1) travels in interstate or foreign commerce or is present within the jurisdiction of the United States, with the intent to kill, injure, harass, intimidate, or place under surveillance, or intimidate another person, and in the course of, or as a result of, such travel or presence engages in conduct that (A) places that person in reasonable fear of the death of, or serious bodily injury to (i) that person; (ii) an immediate family member (iii) a spouse or intimate partner of that person….”

In this case, there is an intent to have repercussions. I was wondering as well why Private Investigators are allowed to do this and in short, they are regulated so they have to work within the frame of law and should have a lawful purpose.

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Thanks, that makes some things a lot clearer.

But just play along with me for a second…

We’re in court and that law gets cited and the defence attorney says "surveillance was happening, yes, but that in itself wasn’t illegal. In order to break that particular law one has to prove it was being done with the intention that it result in “a well founded fear of death or serious bodily injury”'. And where is the proof that was the intention or the result?

So if this guy’s going around like a mobster on behalf of the Chinese government and threatening people on their doorstep I’d get it.

But, reading the law closely, just sending information to another country does not, in itself, seem to be illegal. That’s why I was making the point about free speech. The first amendment is literally about communicating legal information freely without persecution from the government, even if that’s with people the government doesn’t like.

I’m not saying the guy didn’t do anything wrong, I just mean I assume there’s more to it than the article is describing…

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