Summary

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy asserted that no world leader has the right to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin on behalf of Ukraine.

Speaking to Le Parisien readers, Zelenskyy emphasized that Ukraine alone determines its future and any dialogue with Russia must follow a peace plan based on strength and international support.

He warned against negotiating without clear guarantees of security, highlighting the risks of Putin resuming aggression after a ceasefire.

Zelenskyy called for a strategy ensuring Ukraine’s long-term stability and security, beyond NATO or EU membership timelines.

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You’d think this would be a fairly cut and dry issue - the countries helping Ukraine wouldn’t like it either if another country started negotiating terms on their behalf (especially not with a monster like Putin).

Ukraine and its people should be the ones to decide their own fate.

I swear people who think otherwise must’ve read David vs. Goliath and sided with the Goliath.

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Hey Goliath was clearly in the right. David brought a gun to a fist fight, bastard never should have been allowed to walk free after that level of cheating.

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Unfortunately their ability to decide their own fate is limited while they are reliant on resources from countries that are threatening to pull the plug.

Yet we still give Israel bombs 🫥

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Israel gets all the munitions it wants to enact a genocide, but Ukraine has to fight for every bullet to fight for its own sovereignty against a modern day dictator. The US government’s priorities really are something.

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Truth

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What about the country sending the most aid to Ukraine, without which Ukraine could not continue the war, being the one at the negotiating table?

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Would the US like it if another country tried to push it to the side and negotiate on its behalf on literally any issue, not even war-related?

Do you think the US would accept the outcome of such negotiations willingly?

I suspect it wouldn’t, so expecting another country to do so is pure hypocrisy.

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Ukraine can 100% continue fighting their invaders without the US. Also, Europe supplies more aid to Ukraine than the US.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/28/how-much-has-the-eu-given-to-ukraine-compared-to-the-us

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Then why is Ukraine constantly upset US isn’t giving enough aid?

Also, Europe supplies more aid to Ukraine than the US.

You might not realize this, but you’re comparing a continent to a country. US is still “the country sending the most aid to Ukraine,” which I said in my previous comment.

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No, that country can fuck off back across the ocean, thanks.

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And take their aid along with them?

What if this means Ukraine is no longer able to defend itself?

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must’ve read David vs. Goliath and sided with the Goliath.

Bold of you to assume that they can read, or that they have read the Bible.

In my experience not even “devout Christians” do that last one.

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easiest way to become an atheist is to read scripture.

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Alright, that didn’t work. What’s next?

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100%. Reading the Bible cover to cover + learning about the history of how Judaism was born out of the polytheistic Yahwism and the resulting merge between Yahweh and the chief Canaanite god El was the way I just kept pulling the thread until it all came apart. The inconsistencies between an omnibenevolent god (El) and violent massacring war god (Yahweh) make a lot more sense once you know they used to be two separate gods.

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It has different messages if you hold it upside down.

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