Comment by Mr Fish@lemmy.world on Voting for the lesser evil is still evil

As good as that video is, he ignores the strength elections have as damage control. Yes, large positive change needs the sort of efforts he’s describing, but ignoring voting means a bad government will have far more opportunity to undo progress.

Really, the biggest takeaway from that video is that there are more tools than simply voting and protesting, which I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with.

As good as that video is, he ignores the strength elections have as damage control.

Was supporting genocide “damage control?”

Supporting the lesser evil is damage control. Yes, Harris is far from great, but Trump is far worse.

Was supporting genocide “damage control?”

Here’s the question I asked.

That’s the question I answered.

Which would you rather support?

Genocide
Genocide + fascism + other bad shit (probably including genocide 2)

Pick one or give an alternative and a good reason that it will have some effect.

The lesser evil in this situation is genocide without all the other shit, and supporting that is therefore damage control

Sorry, I thought I made it clear. What Biden did when he supported genocide for you is not “damage control” even though you love him for it.

A. Please tell me exactly where I said Biden was anything more than a mildly less shit alternative to Trump. And please tell me where I was saying support the genocide, rather than support one of the people who supports the genocide.

B. I have not been talking about what Biden should have done. I have only been talking about what voters should have done.

When a non-evil person reaches the conclusion that a government is unavoidably committing genocide, there next thought is “how can we bring about the end of this government?”, not “how can I maintain the good times for me personally?”. But Democrats are callous psychopaths.

Also, it’s already fascism you ghoul.

I don’t think you got the main point of the video. Not only “large” change needs these efforts. Any progressive change does. As soon as there is no pressure by mass movements, politicians will drift to strengthen their power, which means moving to the right.

So the only way to keep and maintain a progressive government is to teleport from where we are now to the desired outcome? Is that the argument of the video?

If so, that seems not currently feasible.

Maybe you should watch it, then you don’t have to ask such an ignorant question.

Sounds like you aren’t clear on what that video is suggesting either. Why should I spend time to watch a video that no one seems to have understood?

I’m quite clear: electoral politics is merely a distraction for left/progressive forces. Rather, you should organize with your fellow exploited siblings and built opposing power structures from the bottom up.

He demands the opposite than wishful thinking, or “teleporting”.

Ok, so why not vote for the lesser evil then? It would increase the amount of time we have to organize without fascists cracking down on us.

Is there a succinct way of articulating why we can’t do both? (e.g. vote for the lesser evil while also doing all the mutual aid and whatnot that we can?) Does it boil down to the argument that voting makes people less likely to build said alternative power structures?

I’ll watch the video when I have time, but communicating an actionable strategy I think is essential to folks in crisis.

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