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what's the difference between classism and racism?

posted 5 days ago

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca

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Should we allow one, both, or none?

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TʜᴇʀᴀᴘʏGⒶʀʏ⁽ᵗʰᵉʸ‘ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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5 days ago

I will absolutely judge people based on their class. You don’t come to obtain and maintain massive wealth without being an absolute shit person

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qyron@sopuli.xyz

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5 days ago

What you are doing, by taking that position, is just subscribing to the current social model. That’s not even a criticism; it’s joining the band wagon.

Let’s say you have a big success tomorrow and you manage to amass a great fortune. Are you going to give it away? Are you going to do something with your newly found wealth to truly change something for better?

The top three wealth holders in the planet are there because people allowed it. Facebook was just so groudbreaking, so innovative, so useful to connect to people. Amazon is just so convenient, so easy to use. And electric cars never existed before.

They were enabled and still are by the same people that cry today against them. If the notion of true equality really existed, the moment those individuals started becoming too big, people would remove trust and start demanding them to do good, tangible good, for others.

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TʜᴇʀᴀᴘʏGⒶʀʏ⁽ᵗʰᵉʸ‘ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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4 days ago

Let’s say you have a big success tomorrow and you manage to amass a great fortune. Are you going to give it away? Are you going to do something with your newly found wealth to truly change something for better?

Yes??? Of course I would?

The top three wealth holders in the planet are there because people allowed it. Facebook was just so groudbreaking, so innovative, so useful to connect to people. Amazon is just so convenient, so easy to use. And electric cars never existed before.

Ohhhh, you’re a capitalist

They were enabled and still are by the same people that cry today against them. If the notion of true equality really existed, the moment those individuals started becoming too big, people would remove trust and start demanding them to do good, tangible good, for others.

That’s literally what myself and many others are doing? Except in my opinion they are evil until they intentionally drop their net worth to the single digit millions and transfer their companies to the workers who actually made them what they are today

What you are doing, by taking that position, is just subscribing to the current social model. That’s not even a criticism; it’s joining the band wagon.

Lmao, I’m an anarchist, not a liberal on a band wagon

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qyron@sopuli.xyz

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4 days ago

Let’s say you have a big success tomorrow and you manage to amass a great fortune. Are you going to give it away? Are you going to do something with your newly found wealth to truly change something for better?

Yes??? Of course I would?

I honestly hope so. Until that day, we do not know. Hopefully, you will set the example.

The top three wealth holders in the planet are there because people allowed it. Facebook was just so groudbreaking, so innovative, so useful to connect to people. Amazon is just so convenient, so easy to use. And electric cars never existed before.

Ohhhh, you’re a capitalist

Shit. I am? Why?

They were enabled and still are by the same people that cry today against them. If the notion of true equality really existed, the moment those individuals started becoming too big, people would remove trust and start demanding them to do good, tangible good, for others.

That’s literally what myself and many others are doing? Except in my opinion they are evil until they intentionally drop their net worth to the single digit millions and transfer their companies to the workers who actually made them what they are today

I can’t disagree on that.

What you are doing, by taking that position, is just subscribing to the current social model. That’s not even a criticism; it’s joining the band wagon.

Lmao, I’m an anarchist, not a liberal on a band wagon

It’s easy to just shout out loud, when everyone else already is as well.

I personally like the anarchist proposal: a flat society, without classes. Unfortunately, at the moment, very far from being attainable.

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TʜᴇʀᴀᴘʏGⒶʀʏ⁽ᵗʰᵉʸ‘ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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4 days ago

I honestly hope so. Until that day, we do not know. Hopefully, you will set the example

This reads to me like you’re assuming I’d be a class traitor until proven otherwise, and I don’t like that.

Shit. I am? Why?

Sorry, it sounded like you were defending billionaires as if they actually earned their wealth. I’m glad to be wrong, but you do continue to sound like a liberal

It’s easy to just shout out loud, when everyone else already is as well

Why do you assume I didnt start until it became trendy? I quit Facebook and Amazon a decade ago, and have been consistently putting my freedom and safety on the line in furtherance of my leftist values for just as long

I can’t disagree on that.

So you’re not arguing that the upper class isn’t evil, you were just under the assumption that I’m an all-talk idealist or something?

Unfortunately, at the moment, very far from being attainable

I’m gonna keep doing praxis anyway

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qyron@sopuli.xyz

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4 days ago

I honestly hope so. Until that day, we do not know. Hopefully, you will set the example

This reads to me like you’re assuming I’d be a class traitor until proven otherwise, and I don’t like that.

I so deeply despise the use of “class” as if it as any meaning or use besides forcibly dividing people into societal boxes.

Until proven otherwise, you will strictly adhere to your principles and ideals. Like or not, is up to you. I don’t exist to gain your unwavering approval.

Shit. I am? Why?

Sorry, it sounded like you were defending billionaires as if they actually earned their wealth. I’m glad to be wrong, but you do continue to sound like a liberal

I risk we do not share the same understanding of what being liberal entails. I consider myself a liberal individual. But being politically liberal seems to be a charged connotation nowadays.

It’s easy to just shout out loud, when everyone else already is as well

Why do you assume I didnt start until it became trendy? I quit Facebook and Amazon a decade ago, and have been consistently putting my freedom and safety on the line in furtherance of my leftist values for just as long.

Quit FB I don’t even remember when and I have a serious distrust towards Amazon.

I can’t disagree on that.

So you’re not arguing that the upper class isn’t evil, you were just under the assumption that I’m an all-talk idealist or something?

I can’t disagree that multi-million/billion/trillion fortunes should be dissipated and returned fully into the economic and social fabric. You still may be. I don’t know you.

Even Marx was a man of his time: his daughters were educated to play the piano, draw and sing, like any middle class girl of the time. While at the same time, his work heavily criticized society and social norms has it stood.

It’s a tall price to pay to truly embody an ideal.