Comment by phoneymouse@lemmy.world on Moral dilemas (SMBC)

Bakers make bread. Kill the baker and you got no more bread at all. Bad analogy.

So you’re saying that, in order to maximize evil, we should kill the baker?

If maximizing evil is the goal, killing the baker is the best thing you can do. Those people will eat some temporary bread and then go on starving. What’s worse, is more people will starve as well.

But then you need to set up a cult to keep on killing bakers, because there are incentives for someone else to take up the mantle.

Now we’re making progress towards a plan.

or you take over operations, adulterate the bread with sawdust while selling the good stuff only to the 1% who can afford it. Also, maybe make it an overpriced subscription, where in order to have the privilege of buying bread, you also have to pay per loaf, too.

If that sounds like corpo-shit… that’s because it is.

Then you might as well lightly poison the regular bread to keep the poor feeling like shit and preventing them from improving their life. You can still sell the premium, non-poisoned bread to the rich.

also placing some of the antidote into “herbal” remedies. to make even more money off them.

Don’t you mean “what’s even better”?

Killing the baker isnt the best thing you can do

Start a cult where no one is allowed to eat bread, having to make all bread poisonous and placing it in a line

You would waste more resources compared to just killing the baker and reduce the risk of another person becoming the baker

And poison his bread.

Kill the Baker and people can access the bread, and the resources the Baker was hoarding, and ALSO make bread. Bread making isn’t a genetic trait like hair color, it can be learned.

You assume those people would 1. Actually make bread and not just eat what was left and then go back to being starving. 2. Somehow not be subject to the same exact economic conditions that required a baker to charge for bread in the first place (ie. Cover the cost of his inputs, afford a place to live, feed and cloth his children, etc.)

Hoarding is a strong word. Rather than blaming a baker that is producing something that benefits other people, why don’t we focus on the people who are starving. Why are they starving? How do we help them make enough to afford bread?

They’re starving because they bought too many lattes.

They’re starving because they refuse to eat anything other than avocado-toast

OK, but opportunity cost. Sure, anyone can learn to make bread, but not everyone has the time, space or equipment to make their own bread, or wants to spend their time doing it. Not making bread themselves should not exclude them from having access to bread.

Idk dude that sounds a little like capitalism or at least economics

Division of labour is not capitalism, trying to do everything by yourself is not anti capitalist (and in fact that extreme individualist fantasy has more to do with capitalism than anything else)

Exactly that’s why you kill them too, don’t leave it up to chance

Yeah but in this town, they kill bakers . Don’t listen to this guy y’all, he’s just trying to up his baker tally so he can look cool eating bread. It’s a trap, don’t bake bread.

Edit:

Don’t do it, really guys, I’m not joking.

I’m not a baker I’m a patisserie.

Guys i found the baker who only bakes expensive bread for rich people, get him!!

Maybe this one just owns the bakery

I know how to make bread. It’s not fucking hard.

So, in this world. Once you become the baker, guess who is next?

I feel ok about this, teach was indicating a specific baker. If she had said “suppose you want to kill a CEO, any CEO” and I were a CEO I’d be worried but that’s not what happened. The town was just mad at the prior baker for only making brioche and then charging out the ass for it so they needed to die. I get it.

But do you want to start work at 5 am every day, and bake bread all day, or do you want to go to the bakery and buy a loaf of bread?

It takes longer than that bud, I start the day before.

However if you’re an American, store bought bread is gross, even the $7/loaf stuff at whole foods. Farmers markets are usually good. I don’t buy bread for this reason, standards.

We’re talking about a bakery, so it would be quite different than regular store bought bread.

KILL HIM, HE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE BREAD!

Kill only the greediest, wealthiest baker in the street. Next month, kill the next most greedy wealthy baker after him. Month three, all the bakers will be fighting to give more of their bread away than the next guy

Wouldnt they just stop being bakers? They will all eventually die

I dont think this is a good analogy

Yeah. Meanwhile killing CEOs has no drawbacks because they do nothing of value and horde all the money which can be used for better than just choking the economy for everyone else.

Good CEO’s lead companies to brighter future!

Well, whole two of them, so your chance to kill one by mistake is kinda low, go wild.

CEOs aren’t solely at fault, though. The board of directors is responsible for setting broad policies which might involve increasing profit even at the cost of human lives. And most publicly traded corporations have mission statements that explicitly prioritize profit over all other concerns because otherwise their shares wouldn’t be as attractive on the stock market.

Mind you, making the CEO job unattractive will make it harder to find people who implement board policies. But ultimately that’s a punctual relief attempt for a systemic issue – the way the stock market operates. Things will not improve as long as we not just allow but require companies to increase profit no matter what.

“Human dragon” is in perhaps a better descriptor for the analogy

I wouldn’t say that they do nothing of value. Organizing companies has to happen. Is it worth their price? Not even fucking close. But crews cannot run themselves with efficiency. There has to be someone running the ship. But they do not deserve that much more. They get that by being corrupt and appeasing the investors MORE than making a company run correctly.

most CEOs don’t organize anything, that’s ironically what middle management does. the CEOs job is to maximize the amount of value extracted for the feudal lords

I beg to argue they organize the middle managers. Everyone answers to someone.

that’s the fun part, they actually don’t, most middle managers are the controlling instance already, and any case where they aren’t is because the corporate structure has multiple upper level management layers further reducing contact to the CEO

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