Sure, there are always outliers and you can correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s just the overall impression I have.

(I wasn’t sure if !asklemmy@lemmy.world or this community would fit better for this kind of question, but I assume it fits here.)

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“Left” or “Right” grouping is Western centric tho.

From my perspective as Indonesian, it’s weird that Westerner lump politics into separate group instead working together for a solution that caters to everyone.

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So you would say PDIP and Gerindra both represent the same thing?

And I know for a fact you’se spent most of the mid 20th century killing “communists” in your borders. So there certainly was a left in Indonesia.

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Both are just corrupt parties that doesn’t want to help people.

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Maybe this will help: the left are the only ones that want to help everyone. The right wants to help themselves.

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I still don’t get actual “left” and “right” definition by Westerner.

For example, people that support native people to be protected from encrouchment of their forest, as well as unmitigated immigration that will drive out them will considered both “left” and “right” side from Westerner.

Some Westerner also often assume their solution of problem is “the best” while all I can see is further division of society.

Please elaborate.

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Indonesian here too. Same I am as confused too. It makes political discourse here looks good

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I still don’t get actual “left” and “right” definition by Westerner.

The vast majority of Westerners don’t even really know what “left” or “right” mean. It’s going to be really confusing to rely on Westerners to self-identify their political beliefs, because every liberal seems to think they’re a leftist.

For example, people that support native people to be protected from encrouchment of their forest, as well as unmitigated immigration that will drive out them will considered both “left” and “right” side from Westerner.

It helps if we frame this in a context of imperialism and colonialism.

A refugee from Syria moving into Greece isn’t encroaching on anyone’s forests. That stands in stark contrast with a multinational corporation coming to DRC, clear cutting the forest, strip mining the mountains, poisoning the water, and paying pennies for labor.

Some Westerner also often assume their solution of problem is “the best” while all I can see is further division of society.

Absolutely. Any leftist in the West needs to spend their whole life unlearning their chauvinism.

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