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This is not a juxtaposition at all. Terrible ethics aside, the CEO operated more or less totally in compliance with USA law. Being a fucking scumbag is not illegal – indeed, our country sadly runs on this principle.

The fellow in the subway was acting to a DIRECT threat, and it’s pretty easy to draw a line from that guy flipping out to someone being threatened/hurt/killed in the subway. He was already culpable of disorderly conduct or worse, and it’s pretty clear that it wasn’t Penny’s intent to fatally injure him.

The juxtaposition some people feel is because the CEO is acting against their moral framework, but he’s operating in a legal framework. This is why our country is fucking sick, but it is is what it is at this point.

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“Terrible ethics aside”

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Did the CEO do anything unlawful? If so, let’s talk about it. Otherwise, how can you blame him? He’s performing in a way that is sanctioned by US law. Think it’s horrible? So do I! Until the laws change, you’re going to see more of the same.

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Their the ones making the laws man. Stop trying so hard to defend them and concern yourself with all the people struggling under his umbrella. If they made murder legal would you start killing people too? Draw a better line.

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how can you blame him?

Very, very easily. Is this bait?

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6 points

Did the CEO do anything unlawful?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials

Everything they did was legal and yet the US decded that legal was a bullshit excuse in the face of mass murder…here we are, history rhyming.

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He was being sued for insider trading for dumping his stock before an investigation went public and lowered its value. So technically, he probably was a criminal. But this is all very much beside the point.

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but he’s operating in a legal framework.

That defence is flimsy AF .

The US did a whole thing in Germany saying following the law was a bullshit excuse , they’ve literally set the precedent for assholes following the law being killed when they’re guilty of mass murder.

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6 points

Since our courts care about case law and not about moral frameworks, I think you’ll see that defense being used quite successfully.

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2 points

To be fair, our government then hired any Nazi they thought was smart enough to be useful.

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3 points

How was being upset in public a direct threat?

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About six years later, he boarded a subway under Manhattan on May 1, 2023, hurled his jacket onto the floor, and declared that he was hungry and thirsty and didn’t care if he died or went to jail, witnesses said. Some told 911 operators that he tried to attack people or indicated he’d harm riders, and several testified that they were nervous or outright feared for their lives.

He wasn’t just upset… he was threatening people.

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What’s your source? That is not in op according to Ctrl+F

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Don’t forget that one case has already reached its conclusion while the second hasn’t even begun trial.

There’s still a lot than can happen that might prevent a guilty verdict.

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Hoo boy. There was plenty of video footage of the accused. He had the motive. When he was caught, he still had evidence on him. He had the means, the motive and the opportunity. By all means, he should be afforded a full and fair trial. However, if his lawyer is able to get the case thrown out or dismissed somehow, it’ll be a legal miracle. I honestly have no clue what his defense will be. So far it seems to be “the cops planted the evidence” which I do not think will buy him the sympathy of a jury.

I believe that CEO was a fucking scumbag, but I’d also be inclined to pass a guilty verdict (assuming his defense attorney fails to change my mind). As much as I hate what that health insurance company did, I also would hate to live in a country where vigilante justice is meted out. I would have preferred the shooter pursue health care reform in a more democratic way, as I believe that is the civilized way to enact change. I can simultaneously sympathize with the shooter and condemn him.

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Certainly does look a lot like first degree murder at first sight but from what I’ve seen even the whole story about the circumstance of his apprehension seems rather odd.

Also (and yes I know it’s a long shot but still), the jury could simply refuse to indict him because they hate the victim far more than the crime.

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You’re right. But it does not force someone to be a scumbag that takes advantage of less privileged people.

It is a choice.

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100% and it’s a sad fact this country (and others) contain people for which that is a very easy choice.

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Oh wow, disorderly conduct huh? Famously straight to the execution chamber that? We have a criminal charge for “oops I didn’t mean to kill him”. You don’t get to attack someone and then just say oopsie daisy.

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You don’t get to attack someone and then just say oopsie daisy.

… and he didn’t. He had to go to court to defend his actions.

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It is what it is

And it’s gonna stay that way, with that attitude

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I’m honest enough to say I’m not going to change the world. If you are, more power to you. I’m looking at the history of greed in our country and projecting forward. It may not be a happy projection, but it is one.

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The realism is fine, but the pessimism just seems pointlessly demoralising for anyone who is capable of acting.

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