Let’s address the elephant in the room
It’s up to jgrim and lazyguru, I don’t want to cause them any problems. Though this topic is arguably not “political” (at least in the sense of one side vs. another), just an extremely controversial one, and we also need to be careful bc of the slippery slope: like even if parts of it were considered okay, where is the line between that and when it all of a sudden is not? Lemmy.World was helpful in being very clear where that line should be.
If the admins want to lock this, I will absolutely support that call. Especially with the USA becoming more fascist in a few months time - we need to preserve this space to discuss things in more than we need to have a single discussion about any one topic in particular.
Edit: oh and I just re-read the part about “future crimes” - that seems very likely to get us in trouble, so I would say no, not at all in relation to future crimes. It’s one thing to discuss a topic in theory, and quite another to bring federal attention down upon us to scrutinize everything happening here.
Lemmy.World was helpful in being very clear where that line should be.
Indeed. I had a look at DO’s rules, they link to the the Lemmy Code of Conduct, which doesn’t explicitly address this topic
Edit: oh and I just re-read the part about “future crimes” - that seems very likely to get us in trouble, so I would say no, not at all in relation to future crimes. It’s one thing to discuss a topic in theory, and quite another to bring federal attention down upon us to scrutinize everything happening here.
But then couldn’t this topic being discussed on LW as well now, even with the new ToS?
But then couldn’t this topic being discussed on LW as well now, even with the new ToS?
Exactly my point - they aren’t forbidding all discussion on the topic? Well, tbf at the very beginning they did panic, then they took 3 days to clarify the ToS, but now such discussion is entirely allowed. Just not outright actual illegal stuff, like that guy wanting to sabotage their physical machines to bring them down - that stuff ofc remains illegal, and advocating for murder is illegal. If anyone wants to find a place to discuss illegal activities, it’s not so much that it’s impossible but it does sound like something better suited to an anarchist instance? Though it’s not something that I’d want to be involved in.
AskUSA was an idea that predated all of this jury nullification controversy, where we wanted to make particularly Redditors feel more comfortable migrating over to Lemmy, despite all the objections like “it’s run by tankies” and “it’s more for an international audience than me inside the USA”. For that purpose, it’s progressing along nicely is it not?
Though a truly “free speech” instance like the Magats are asking for, essentially 4chan, isn’t something that the vast majority of Fedizens want, and we would defederate any such server that was created.
In-between all of these extremes is ofc a vast middle ground, and yet police really do exist, so my guess is that any instance located within the USA would not be suitable for discussions of topics that come anywhere even remotely close to skirting the law here. But even if that were not true, I still personally would not want to be involved - especially as a moderator! There are too many nutjobs that would be attracted to such, it sounds like an enormous undertaking, plus a highly unpleasant one.
If anyone wants to find a place to discuss illegal activities, it’s not so much that it’s impossible but it does sound like something better suited to an anarchist instance?
Quoting myself from another comment
I just had a look at https://join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html to check
We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of level of experience, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic.
So if people say “CEOs of private healthcare companies who cause the deaths of thousands of citizens for profit should face the same fate as the United Healthcare CEO”, is it acceptable or no? Real question, I don’t think it’s that clear from the rules.
Also, as those are the rules created by the Lemmy devs, I would really surprised if they prevented any action against CEOs
