Comment by AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works on Luigi Mangione, CEO shooting suspect, is a tech worker

Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.

Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.

Or, and hear me out here, we can view this with a little sympathy: there’s $60k in rewards for anyone who turned this guy in, and the person who did it makes peanuts at McDonalds.

Now, I don’t know if I would do it, but I can completely and utterly sympathize why someone who makes poverty wages would turn class traitor for what almost certainly life-changing money.

The downvotes on this really make me question my faith in humanity.

Only the downvotes?

What about the cheering on of murder in the street?

What about the cheering on of murder in the street?

Nah, that rich fuck had it coming, shooter is a hero.

Vigilante justice indicates a failure in the system to administer justice.

It is absolutely in society’s interest that someone who has caused deaths and misery of thousands is punished.

Punished, sure, but not murdered.

Are you advocating torture?

Luigi wasn’t really in a position where he could stop the CEO through any lesser use of force.

To be charitable, other people can have different views on ethics.

For example, if harming a CEO who helped raise claim denial rates from less than 10% to 30% results in revised policies and less overall suffering, that could be morally justifable to some.

We have a president who says that he could do exactly what The Adjuster did, and get away with it. If the president can do it, why not this guy?

I don’t like it, but this is our world right now.

Hey DM, can I get a reroll?

The comment I replied to wasn’t cheering on a murderer.

The comment I replied to was trying to convey that an impoverished person may feel like the reward money for turning in a murderer outweighs any moralizing over the murder itself. That the dollar figure could be literally life changing and they may feel they have no option but to turn them in.

And people downvoted that. Hence my shaken faith in people’s ability to empathize.

I guess people are saying that they believe there is such a thing as an ethical murder in the streets. Of course in any form of ethics vacuum chamber this can’t stand. But in the real world where children are bombed for the sake of some asshole’s religion, where the president boasts he could get away with murder in the street and courts confirm this, in a world where sick people are left to suffer to boost a share price, then, THEN an act like this becomes a reasonable response to an unreasonable world.

Maybe someone better educated can tell me what ethics scholars have to say about how an ethical actor should behave in a system where ethics have utterly broken down. Right now, the crowd is saying “like that guy.”

I’m ill-disposed to wag my finger at them, and think the only ethical course is to address the corrupt environment in which this act occurred, because that environment undermines any one-dimensional ethical evaluation of this murder in the street, and that makes me deeply uncomfortable.

I don’t. Might as well just be a cop if you think like that, plenty of room for bootlicking morons in that profession.

Here here. I’m poor as shit, got no insurance whatsoever, 60k would be somewhat life changing for me. I would never ever squeal on a comrade like that, even for millions.

Well then this person is a moron. They won’t see a dime. Maybe a pat on the head and a gift card from the dollar store.

No way the average person working at Mcdonalds does anything but blow 60k even if they get it.

Edit: To be clear, I spent 4 years working at one. Good people, bad people, but not much economic sophistication in either group.

Yeah, the fucking idiot will probably all blow it on something stupid like an ER visit.

Employee of the Month

With the review bombing and public hatred of that McDonald’s location? Fired is more like it.

I don’t think that McDonald’s gives single fuck about review bombing

The corporation? Definitely not. But review bombing and boycotting will hurt the profits of that franchised location, and its owner certainly will.

I meant more like, that’s the best accolade you may get as someone working for McDonald’s. But yes, McDonald’s absolutely has a reason to support the status quo in terms of corporate rule.

They’ll let him order anything he wants off the dollar menu!

Which is really just a pack of fries, minus the fries at this point, becaues what store has a dollar menu anymore?

I dunno. I’ve never met the narc, and I already don’t feel like he’s on my side.

shooter and ceo were closer in class than the shooter and working class

Ah, good ol’ “anyone who makes enough money to pay rent is part of the capitalist class, not the working class”

He was a white collar working class guy. His work history is full of positions at various tech companies working as an engineer. It doesn’t appear that he was handed any sort of dynasty.

He was upper class, and he had better opportunities than your average American, but he was still a worker.

Some people think anyone whose parents actually owned a house are “the elites”.

No. The CEO earned more in a year than even someone with a six figure salary would earn in a lifetime.

Could well be in debt up to their eyeballs and barely making a profit, for all we know.

Maybe his family did, but judging by his work history, he wasn’t personally wealthy enough to be owning a country club.

If he was “owns a country club” rich, his work history would mostly just say “Owner and CEO of whatever country club”.

There’s no reason to work any sort of normal job if you have that kind of income rolling in.

And yet, despite that was still responsible for less deaths than the CEO

Find out finds everyone

Neat how that works. Keep the populace poor and they become a wall to wall surveillance system for you. And people worry about technology…

Off-topic question: are rewards money taxable?

If I remember correctly, they can be anonymous. If that’s the case, they wouldn’t really be easily taxable. Still, we are talking about the government here, and if they tax lottery winnings, I would bet they tax rewards.

There’s no reason for them not to be treated like any other income.

Some of us aren’t brainwashed into bloodlust by marxist bullshit, even though we’re poor.

Some of us would like it if we and people like us were not poor for the rest of time.

Jokes on you if you think this is going to change anything

Oh look, nothing relevant changed. Looks like my comment still stands.

Need those goalposts moved again? I’d be happy to do it for you for $20.

Don’t need to move goal posts when nothing has changed. Get back to me with a relevant story.

Meanwhile people are still dying because of claims being denied, which you know, is the whole point of this story, or “goal post”.

Here you are saying the actions of people don’t have meaning. You feel smug because you proved yourself right. Seems the only power you have here is convincing others they are as powerless as you.

Because they rely on “tips” , as the corporation is unable to pay a wage that is sufficient to support a basic standard of living. If only capitalist weren’t so greedy they wouldn’t be relying on the tips to survive.

I worked at McDonalds for a few years when I was younger. They didn’t let us get tips.

Also worked there. There is no McDonald’s that has ever allowed tips. It’s against their corporate rules. I even saw an employee get written up for accepting a tip, once.

We can’t tell you who squealed, but it was one of the dozen employees at this McDonald’s. Probably the one that’s going to change jobs soon…

I’d be pissed and scared if I was an employee at that McDonald’s

$50k is 1-2 years pay for the person who reported him. For them, that short term relief was worth more than the highly improbable outcome where this man’s actions actually impact their life in a positive way in the next few months. Money wins almost every time

I’m glad the rat will most likely get denied their pellet.

Simply a lack of class consciousness. America has worked hard since the rise of the USSR to topple workers power through union busting and destruction of community.

Basically we are built by our material conditions.

He had everything on him to get caught and convicted. I don’t think he wanted to run forever.

One doesn’t have to go far to find a boot-licking class traitor who thinks if they run the rat race well enough they’ll get a piece of cheese.

But to be fair to the McDonalds worker, the cash reward is designed to do just that.

America’s working class has a long history of buying into propaganda and acting against their own interests. It’s a huge reason why the medical industry has gotten so bad.

That being said, it’s important to keep our anger focused on the system, not people who are getting suckered by it.

It pains me to see so many people ready and willing to beat up their Trump voting neighbor who fell for propaganda designed for them but not the Trump financing ceos

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