Hello World,

following feedback we have received in the last few days, both from users and moderators, we are making some changes to clarify our ToS.

Before we get to the changes, we want to remind everyone that we are not a (US) free speech instance. We are not located in US, which means different laws apply. As written in our ToS, we’re primarily subject to Dutch, Finnish and German laws. Additionally, it is our discretion to further limit discussion that we don’t consider tolerable. There are plenty other websites out there hosted in US and promoting free speech on their platform. You should be aware that even free speech in US does not cover true threats of violence.

Having said that, we have seen a lot of comments removed referring to our ToS, which were not explicitly intended to be covered by our ToS. After discussion with some of our moderators we have determined there to be both an issue with the ambiguity of our ToS to some extent, but also lack of clarity on what we expect from our moderators.

We want to clarify that, when moderators believe certain parts of our ToS do not appropriately cover a specific situation, they are welcome to bring these issues up with our admin team for review, escalating the issue without taking action themselves when in doubt. We also allow for moderator discretion in a lot of cases, as we generally don’t review each individual report or moderator action unless they’re specifically brought to admin attention. This also means that content that may be permitted by ToS can at the same time be violating community rules and therefore result in moderator action. We have added a new section to our ToS to clarify what we expect from moderators.

We are generally aiming to avoid content organizing, glorifying or suggesting to harm people or animals, but we are limiting the scope of our ToS to build the minimum framework inside which we all can have discussions, leaving a broader area for moderators to decide what is and isn’t allowed in the communities they oversee. We trust the moderators judgement and in cases where we see a gross disagreement between moderatos and admins’ criteria we can have a conversation and reach an agreement, as in many cases the decision is case-specific and context matters.

We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.

As always, if you stumble across content that appears to be violating our site or community rules, please use Lemmys report functionality. Especially when threads are very active, moderators will not be able to go through every single comment for review. Reporting content and providing accurate reasons for reports will help moderators deal with problematic content in a reasonable amount of time.

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70 points

Hmm, maybe a change of scenery is needed. .this place is getting stupid. I haven’t seen a single comment actually advocating for violence, mostly just people who aren’t sad that this happened. Your mods have also demonstrated a lack of impartial judgemental in the past, and it’s starting to show.

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There’s posts all over with CEO faces and names and pretty transparent text related to the “adjuster” finding them.

I get the motivation but it is pretty clear they are saying “hey go kill these specific people”

And countless comments, even in this post saying “all X deserve to die”

Now before people assume me an apologist, my preferred solution would be letting Bernie, AOC, and Warren off the leash to criminalize the profiteering rampant in our society, while nationalizing all basics such as basic shelter, healthcare, education, advocacy, and nutrition.

A society is measured by it’s poorest/weakest.

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I haven’t seen a single comment actually advocating for violence

Re-read the OP, particularly the third paragraph but also definitely the sixth - it covers exactly this topic.

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-8 points

Agree. And I’d we can get more free speech I think it’s time to relocate things.

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41 points

I haven’t seen a single comment actually advocating for violence

It’s almost as if the mods are doing their jobs…

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104 points

I haven’t seen a single comment actually advocating for violence

Probably because they’ve been removed by the mods.

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Man/Ma’am, I’ve seen dozens lately. Most were fun actually, but I side with the admins here. You can actually get prosecuted, and badly, in Europe, for this.

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97 points

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20 points

I’ve never seen this before and had to look this up. A fantastic little piece of history, excellently memeified.

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16 points

Why use many words when few none do trick?

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47 points

I doubt that’s true, but if it is, you can see plenty of them in the Lemmy.world modlog over the past few days. It is a public modlog.

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