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Use Mastadon, Bluesky will eventually have to enshittify as they are a corporation.

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They literally owe money to *checks notes… Blockchain Capital. A bunch of fucking cryptobros venture capital firm.

Enshittification is coming, people are stupid for falling for this again. I’m sick of fucking hearing about how all-volunteer created & funded Mastodon isn’t as slick as the fucking venture capital funded Bluesky. “It’s too hard to use!” Wah, go cry about it into a corporate teat some more, sucker.

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people are stupid for falling for this again.

It’s a better, more usable platform than mastodon for the average user today, it makes sense people will move to it instead - it’s human behavior.

I wish more than people treated these platforms as disposable like they are. Just dump their ass like a shitty ex if they start abusing the platform. Remind folks that Yahoo, Myspace and Digg seemed unreplaceable at one point, and now they are irrelevant.

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I never used twitter, I tried to use mastodon about a year ago and hated it, I joined bluesky a few weeks back and love it.

Mastodon gives you an autoscrolling firehose of unfiltered junk on all, or an empty wasteland of subscribed tags, with nothing inbetween. I never found anyone I wanted to follow while sifting through screenfuls of firehose, so I didn’t bother.

Bluesky has nice UX, the posts on Discover are mostly engaging content, there’s a bunch of people i’ve heard of over there, tags are encouraged via feeds, the starter packs are nice and the blocklists are amazing.

Will it enshittify eventually? Sure.

But then you just move on to the next free trial.

It took me a week to find a bunch of lefties, journalists and shitposters on bluesky; whatever comes after it will doubtless be just as quick. They’re a fungible commodity - if I can’t find the same specific set of people on the next one, ehh.

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It’s a better, more usable platform than mastodon

I haven’t yet heard an explanation for this that makes sense. It looks more like Twitter and it has VC money behind it. That’s it, as far as I can tell.

I wish more than people treated these platforms as disposable like they are.

It would be easy if they were actually decentralized. The way it is now, if you leave, you leave all of your friends. Getting all of your friends to leave with you is a ridiculous task. You can’t even get 3 of your friends to agree on where to eat for lunch. Try getting all of your friends to follow you to a different social network, where they have to create new accounts, etc. If you have that kind of clout, you should start a religion.

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UX is always going to be the number one priority for a SoMe, when people have to pick one. People are not suckers for wanting proper solutions. FOSS projects need to prioritise this much higher that many of them do, otherwise they will never crawl out of the shadows and in to the light and forever stay with the nerds willing to accept an inferior UX.

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Mastodon could have perfect UI and still lose to bluesky. Normal people don’t trust foss and mastodon has no advertising budget.

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Much like lemmy, my mastodon feed and general engagement has started to fizzle out. I’m seeing people I used to follow on mastodon no longer active, but now on Bluesky. 🤷‍♂️

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5 points

My Lemmy feed is bangin’. Live long and prosper 🖖

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I have no complaints about Lemmy, but posting on Mastodon is basically screaming into the void - I’ve been trying for more than a year, and I basically hardly ever get any reaction at all. In comparison, in the first week on Bluesky I found multiple people following me, commenting on my silly wine and cactuses posts, and in general just interacting.

Don’t get me wrong, I still prefer Mastodon technically and ethically, but it’s just so goddamned barren and dead I feel completely unmotivated to post there…

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On Mastodon in settings you need to enable your account discoverability. Otherwise people will see you only if they know about you. This is weird default and my main complain about Mastodon :(

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Perhaps try to interact with other people on mastodon instead of expecting to grow a follower base? It ain’t tiktok, ya know?

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5 points

It’s hard for communities to switch from twitter to bluesky eve with starter packs, custom feeds, etc. Not all people are into programming and that’s basically the only community in mostodon.

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can we “use” mastodon if we already have lemmy accounts?

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Yes (somewhat), just like you can post on Lemmy with Honk, but note that all ActivityPub software, while speaking the same protocol, interacts best with its own kind. Yet.

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Yep. They’ve only raised $15M so far which is a modest amount by relative standards. If they paid it back right now then I would give them some breathing room for these naive, grandiose statements. Oh but then how would their staff get rich without an IPO? If they could become profitable NOW they could maybe go employee-owned and avoid selling their ass to the stock market.

Of course none of that will happen. Optimistically they will take on more investment money and then go public or get acquired by some other entity and these hippie-ass remarks from their CEO will look like what they are: pipe dreams brought on by their first blush of success. And that’s charitable. Her comments are so naive it’s plausible she’s straight up lying through her teeth right now.

Everyone in tech wants to get buy-a-house rich and quit. No one is in this for humanity.

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They have already started letting transphobic journalists harass people without consequence. They are repeatedly unbanning Jesse Singal. Its already enshittified.

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Tried mastodon, went through three instances, at the end hosted my own single user, ultimately decided the hassle was not worth it. I would rather use nothing than mastodon.

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Using nothing is preferable to feeding the beasts that consume and control us.

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Mastodon sucks really bad. It’s a complete dead end for an artist.

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3 points

How does it suck?

Its one if the most well made Android apps I have used and everything so far is intuitive other than DNS website verification

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3 points

I’ll just paste here what I wrote elsewhere:

  • The average person is tech illiterate, so having them understand what a “federated platform” is, is too much to ask. It may be easy for you or me, but we’re here on Lemmy, so that immediately makes us not the average.

  • The average person also doesn’t care what a federated platform is. They just want something that is convenient and works. Same as the above point; maybe we would be willing to sit down and figure things out, but others will consider that a waste of time and bad.

  • In that sense, federated platforms are a major failure, as picking instances and creating accounts is a hassle rather than a convenience.

  • From personal experience, trying to find a Mastodon instance to make an account on was irritating. Some rules were too restrictive, some rules were too vague, other rules looked like they were created for sensitive little snowflakes. It was like reading through the rules of Discord servers. Not a good look for a social media platform.

  • Something like Bluesky tries to be both; a platform without algorithms (or only user-created algorithms that you can choose to subscribe to), where you can make your own instance or just be part of its centralised instance. The fact that the overwhelming number of people choose the latter should tell you enough about what people want.

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